vmax Posted July 5, 2012 Author Share Posted July 5, 2012 I don't want anybody in an O's uniform who can't field. I'm sure they are playing because Buck is out of options...he's got nobody better...so I'll surrender to that. On the flip side...this is who the O's have this year. I want certain players replaced, but It's not going to happen this year. So they have to win with who they have and I'll I'll be rooting for Andino and Bettemitt to become better fielders overnight...like some miracle will happen. I'm in this thing....I'm counting the wins...This group, the good with the bad, are going to have a winning season and break the cycle of losing seasons.The schedule looks favorable to me after the All Star break....they can do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted July 5, 2012 Share Posted July 5, 2012 There are whisperings that Manny Machado could be called up later in the year to shore up 3B. Having Manny at 3B, Markakis back in RF, Roberts back at 2B and Avery full time in LF will solve a lot of problems defensively. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Ugh hopefully they can fix Arrieta in Norfolk too Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted July 6, 2012 Share Posted July 6, 2012 Last night was just another debacle. Our bats were putting it together early - with no help from the umps - and then Arrietta and the defense just crumbled. Pathetic. Andino, Flaherty, Avery.... all playing the field like a joke at the moment. Meanwhile, so depressing to watch the Angels with both Mark Trumbo and Mike Trout up and playing their butts off. When was the last time the O's had a legitimate position player come all the way through their system? Wieters, I suppose. Markakis before that? Roberts before that? One every 3-4 years? Where are our draft picks going again? What happens to our guys in our minor league system? Something is still not fixed there clearly. Hell, I say bring up Bundy AND Machado - it can't hurt. And if Trout and Strasburg and Harper can all play at 19, 20, 21... why can't our guys? They only get dragged down in the minors. (And yes - I realize that especially with younger pitchers you need to not overwork them or they will end up like Strasburg and get hurt frequently. But we can manage to do both, no? Bring them up and give them rest... we're doing it with all our starters already because none of them can go 5 innings!) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spen Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Whew, close one. Before the series started I would have been satisfied with one win, happy with two. Good win tonight. Gonzalez was great. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 (edited) As an outsider looking in. You cant bring up Machada, way too young, look what happened to Strausburg when the Gnats brought him up, hes just very fortunate that he came up in this era, 35 years ago he would have been out of baseball. O's are on to something here, they are in contention for the division and the wild card, Thhey are not at the break yet..See what August brings, they got thru the June swoon..I anticipated the usual collapse, they looked like they wanted to collapse, but they didnt.. Edited July 7, 2012 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Hello???? Boston, how about a little help here..Bazillion dollar scrubs Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Strasburg was amazing when he first came up with the Nats. His injury was the only downside. That would be less likely to happen with Machado. Bryce Harper and Mike Trout look like two of the best players in baseball right now at 19 and 20. Trout is even a midseason MVP on most sports sites, etc. So 20 year old Machado is too young to play third? Harper spent just over a year in the minors. He crushed in Single A and then struggled at both AA and AAA for about a total of 60 games, never slugging over 400 or hitting over 300 at either higher stop. But so what? His skills are there and he's in fact doing better against the better players in the majors. Quit babying every last prospect. They all fizzle and die in our system anyway. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Bring them up in September when they are in the pennant push. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There won't be a pennant push if we don't fix some issues. Here's what this team is... c - Wieters - one of the game's best, but streaky at the bat and 'hits well' for a catcher doesn't mean a lot1b - rotation of Reynolds, Betemit, Davis - all are rough defensively, Davis has been the only hope defensively2b - Andino - Roberts out for months, likely, so we have another no bat, can't bunt, can't run and mostly can't field - but looks flashyss - Hardy - solid3b - rotation of Reynolds, Betemit and Tolleson - a youngster journeyman and two older unable to field, not much able to hitlf - rotation of Davis, Flaherty, Tolleson, Betemitcf - Adam Jones - greatrf - rotation of Davis, Flaherty, Tolleson, Betemit Not a problem? Four of five line-up spots are 'by committee' - none of which is a good committee - and a fifth is Robert Andino! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Just let it happen dc, Lowenstein & Renieke were the best platoon left fielders in baseball. I read where Markakis is in aberdeen and will be back at the break. What about Thome,DH?, I was thrilled with this signing, Camden Yards wont be able to hold his shots in!!! When Irsay releases Roberts and his ridiculous 10 mil dollar contract, this club will be better off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spen Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I do not see any way this is a pennant winning team or close too it. I just want to finish the season consistently and hopefully above 500 even if its just a game. I like what I have seen so far, but there are so many dead spots in the lineup.I like what I have seen of Betemit, but I do not think he is an everyday player. I like what I have seen of Davis. I like Avery, is he thought to be a legit major leaguer or is he just on the team for now? He has a good eye and good speed, something the team needs. I do not know much about the farm system. I have no problem with bringing Machado up this season. Why not? it will generate excitement and its not we have great players there now. Like many, poor defense drives me crazy, but I wouldnt mind it so much if some of the offenders were hitting better. Who knows, maybe when Markakis comes even just the addition of one good bat might make a difference. Pretty much, unless something horrible happens, I think the team has taken a big step forward this season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I don't see it being 500 either. At best a couple of yrs away. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BengalBilly Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Good God. Isn't there one team in the AL East that can take the stinkin' Yankees down a notch? I hate those f**kers. Buying their way into the playoffs every year makes me sick. 1 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I know, I even "Trolled" the Bosox board, cant help it, scrubs!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Look, I have been an Oriole naysayer for years on here..Dont give up on this season, I think the O's are contenders..If Tampa can Do It, then WHY NOT? I think thas been used before ;) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spen Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 I don't see it being 500 either. At best a couple of yrs away. Shocker for you to be so negative. So unlike you. And your Oriole predictions are usually so dead on. From predicting the team will be folded or moved (that should have happened by now according to your prediction) to none of the team's younger talent resigning here (after they do you just change your prediction to one that 'they will be sorry and want out"), to no established manager would come here (similar prediction change to player resignings). Uncanny how accurate you are. You continue to sing the same song, predict negative things - and in sports negative things happen far more often then not, then post "I told you so" type posts, and then get upset if people point out that you are acting like an ass. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 There is a huge difference between TB and the O's. The Rays have stocked their farm system. They traded guys when they were going to leave via FA to keep the system stocked. The Baltimore system is basically bare. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Theres no difference in TB and the O's..They have a cheap owner, we have a cheap owner.. This is the O's year!!!! This is Bucks 2nd year right? he has a hell of a track record Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Yeah but the cheap owner was smart enough to hire a very good gm who put in a great staff for drafting and developing talent. Where is that in the O's system. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 It starts with Buck..And I believe, if he didnt see a future he would have not come out of the press box to be a laughing stock of MLB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 But it takes time to build a minor league system up. It isn't done in 3 yrs. It took the Rays 13 yrs to do it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Agreed, but if they can compete, which they are doing, then maybe these young studs in HS, will say hell yeah to an O's offer... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Money makes them say yes when drafted. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted July 7, 2012 Share Posted July 7, 2012 Only if you are a shit club like the O's were..See Adam Lowen If the O's would have had any leverage, like being a decent club at the time, they would have never paid a high schooler 4 mil as a signing bonus Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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