ForceEight Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 This video pretty much sums it up. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NvaHUN6JFPc Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Video was taken down..Such as tragic incident Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 doesnt look good for Tony http://deadspin.com/reports-tony-stewart-ran-over-opposing-driver-during-1618893708 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 He very clearly - to an uneducated eye- whipped his car into the guy. It was the back of the car that hit him - not sure how that happens if it's not intentional... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I saw him pop out but the guy would be alive and well if he had stayed in his car. This is his fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceEight Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 He very clearly - to an uneducated eye- whipped his car into the guy. It was the back of the car that hit him - not sure how that happens if it's not intentional...That's how those cars drive (e.g. they turn right to turn left because the back swings out so far in the corners). He most likely swerved out of the guy's way, like the blue car before him did, but wasn't as lucky. Really sad. Also, he just released a statement that they announced during the Cup race. Sounds like he's a wreck. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Wow I'm speechless by this whole thing. This has to be considered manslaughter right? Like DC, I have an uneducated eye, but if the reports are true, and Stewart revved his engine, then charges at least have to be filed. Obviously there wasn't intent to kill, but if it can be proven that Stewart saw the man, accidental manslaughter would be in play, right? My impression from the Deadspin article is that Stewart didn't anticipate the car drifting right when he hit the gas. Seems like he was just trying to scare the guy and go right by him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I disagree. It is impossible to prove what was in Stewarts mind. The guy left the safety of his vehicle. I call it darwinsim. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I saw him pop out but the guy would be alive and well if he had stayed in his car. This is his fault.I thought the same thing as well, but my wife who is from Indy and grew up watching NASCAR said it's normal for drivers to get out like that, which is why the caution flag goes up. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that this was not an un-ordinary event for the drivers. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I disagree. It is impossible to prove what was in Stewarts mind. The guy left the safety of his vehicle. I call it darwinsim.Yes that is impossible to prove, but Stewart has to provide some explanation why he revved his engine right before hitting the guy when the caution flag was up. Legal charges or not, I'm sure there will be a civil suit. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 Scratch what I said, the county police department just said that the investigation is not criminal. Still looks fishy to me. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 I thought the same thing as well, but my wife who is from Indy and grew up watching NASCAR said it's normal for drivers to get out like that, which is why the caution flag goes up. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that this was not an un-ordinary event for the drivers.Sure they get out. But they don't all go get up on the other car to get in a fight. Basically he brought his body to a car race. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceEight Posted August 10, 2014 Author Share Posted August 10, 2014 I thought the same thing as well, but my wife who is from Indy and grew up watching NASCAR said it's normal for drivers to get out like that, which is why the caution flag goes up. Not disagreeing with you, just pointing out that this was not an un-ordinary event for the drivers.It is not normal for a driver to get out and deliberately walk into the path of oncoming cars. You won't find an example of that ever. This also isn't NASCAR. It was a local track, and a guy (kid) saw what drivers do on television and reacted similarly (because of what he'd seen) in an angry moment. He was right to be angry, because it definitely looks like Stewart came up on him, but I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that suggests anything but that the driver walked right into Stewart's path. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 10, 2014 Share Posted August 10, 2014 It is not normal for a driver to get out and deliberately walk into the path of oncoming cars. You won't find an example of that ever. This also isn't NASCAR. It was a local track, and a guy (kid) saw what drivers do on television and reacted similarly (because of what he'd seen) in an angry moment. He was right to be angry, because it definitely looks like Stewart came up on him, but I don't think there's any evidence whatsoever that suggests anything but that the driver walked right into Stewart's path.Gotcha that makes sense. Sounds like it was an unfortunate combination of a couple different factors, the kid walking too far out onto the track with unpredictable behavior, and Stewart maybe going a little too fast or possibly even trying to scare the kid by getting a little too close. Either way unfortunate situation. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The kid has plenty of fault. Stewart certainly has plenty too, at least to the untrained eye. How did every other car pass the guy without revving or spinning out (half-spinning out)? The kid would be alive if he stayed in his car. That doesn't mean that getting out means he deserved to die or that anyone else can get away with a negligent act. The cops have said the investigation is not presently criminal. That doesn't mean there is no chance it becomes such. You could get in an accident on the freeway and the investigation will be non-criminal - until they find a witness saying you were texting or evidence you failed to brake, etc etc. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 Sidenote - I don't know how true it is as I am not a NASCAR fan or racing fan, but I have seen people saying that part of Tony's MO and temper is using his car to intimdate and/or send a message - that he's been known to cause a crash here or there and has been in plenty of pit disputes and battles. It's certainly not an indictment that he absolutely did anything in the race the other night - but it also seemingly isn't unbelievable to some that he would have been trying to 'brush back' the guy for giving him attitude. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 That was the Old Tony Stewart, DC, He was trying to make himself a name as a bad boy like Dale Sr, But since he became a racecar owner, he has toned it down to be one of the guys.. And Pops is right, these guys are racing on a dirt track, the car slides to the right, If the kid stayed in the car, none of this happens. Two wrongs dont make a right, its a tragedy for the kid and his family, and its also a tragedy for Tony Stewart and what he mentally will be going through in the upcoming days. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ForceEight Posted August 11, 2014 Author Share Posted August 11, 2014 The kid has plenty of fault. Stewart certainly has plenty too, at least to the untrained eye. How did every other car pass the guy without revving or spinning out (half-spinning out)? He wasn't directly in the line of traffic until the car before Tony's, which you can also see swerving out of the way. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 The kid has plenty of fault. Stewart certainly has plenty too, at least to the untrained eye. How did every other car pass the guy without revving or spinning out (half-spinning out)? The kid would be alive if he stayed in his car. That doesn't mean that getting out means he deserved to die or that anyone else can get away with a negligent act. The cops have said the investigation is not presently criminal. That doesn't mean there is no chance it becomes such. You could get in an accident on the freeway and the investigation will be non-criminal - until they find a witness saying you were texting or evidence you failed to brake, etc etc.He got in close when Stewart came around. He actually approached the car then. He kept his distance for everyone else. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted August 11, 2014 Share Posted August 11, 2014 I saw the other car swerve, but not it's back end spin towards the kid... Meanwhile, as mentioned above - "not criminal" does not mean "won't become criminal" - "Tony Stewart not officially in the clear" http://www.cnn.com/2014/08/10/justice/tony-stewart-hits-driver/index.html?hpt=hp_t2 I am not really taking a side. I know too little. I just know that he hit the kid and the kid is now dead. And the answer is not as plain as "well, the kid was in the way." It may come that that is the determining factor, but it's hardly the only factor. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted August 12, 2014 Share Posted August 12, 2014 I'm seeing this the same way DC is describing it. Yes, the driver had no business being that far out on the track. However, I don't see why Stewart had to be so close. I am also confused why Stewart revved his engine when approaching the driver. I am also an untrained eye when it comes to race cars, so it is entirely possible I am missing something. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Now the dad is lashing out thru the media at Tony Stewart http://sports.yahoo.com/blogs/nascar-from-the-marbles/kevin-ward-sr----apparently--tony-stewart-was-the-only-one-driving-out-there-who-didn-t-see-him-153055373.html Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 Yeah his kid was so stupid to get out of the car and approach a moving race car and that is Tony's fault. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrow Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 I don't see where there won't be somekind of lawsuit sign o times thank god it wasn't Darrel Wallace Jr who hit the kid prolly would,ve been gunned down Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted August 14, 2014 Share Posted August 14, 2014 There is no doubt a civil suit will be filed. In that I do see Stewart paying out something but beyond a reasonable doubt is not something they will get to I think. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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