TBird Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 ILMAO - My math teacher said you can make anything you want of statistics. My 6th gradecounselor told my dad I'd never go to college. I have the statistics here to show you. Six yearslater he became my counselor in college - good ole U of MD in college park. Goldie Hawn andConnie Chung hung out with me on Friday nights at the Student Union for mixers. Anyway so by increasing the number of games Joe played in to 10 the winning pct comes outa little lower and just a little lower than the other guys winning just 2 in 6 games. Not going by pct, Joe won 3 games which is more wins than the others and that is the point. Still laughing at resident troll. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Peace in the Valley. Man, these were 4 of the worse months of my life. Radio said Ravens lost 14 games by 1 play in the final minutes of each game. They justcouldn't close them out. Guy said even with all the injuries they weren't the reason forthe losses. Well, 80% doesn't help you win and with pro bowlers out like Suggs, Joe, Forsett plusall the others out. Hey 82 - Remember in 1960, Colts only had to win 1 of 4 final games to get into the POs.They beat Bears in Chicago but half their team was injured. A guy named Ball held Unitasby his arms while their DE Atkins came by and said just hold him there and I'll whack him andhe did. It looked like a tag team wrestling match. Lenny Moore said Unitas should have died but still played. They stuck mud in his nostrils tostop the bleeding. He had a concussion and blood down his face. Then from his own 35 he throws a bomb to Lenny Moore who jumped over two DBs and caughtthe ball in the end zone for the game winning TD. Halas called it the greatest play he ever saw.He didn't even tell the refs that Moore should have been penalized for running out of bounds andthen back on the field in front of their bench because the play was so good for football he let itstand. But that was the game Halas had a $500 bounty to knock Unitas out to break his record of mostconsecutive TDs. Ball and Atkins tried to collect the reward money but failed. We only had to win one last game but they beat up the Colts so bad they lost all 4 games. UGH!I definitely remember that game and that season. The Bears game cost us a chance for another championship. Wasn't that also the game that ended Ameche's career? I know that happened sometime during that season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBird Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yea, Ameche got an achilles tendon just like Suggs this year but back then playersnever came back from them. Ameche could have but retired because his restaurant businesswas doing so well and he didn't like Weeb or more or less because Weeb hated Ameche. Rosey put Ameche and Gino in the fast food business. Berry hurt his knee in that game. I met him that year at a kids camp our church was associated withon the Severn River. Don Schinnick was the youth paster and brought Ray down tospeak to us. I was 12 and thought I was tough shit walking up to Ray and said how'sthe knee sir. I already knew Schinnick. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TBird Posted January 5, 2016 Author Share Posted January 5, 2016 That was another year we should have another world championship trophy. It was the last game of the 1960 season and we only had to beat a lousy Lions team witha poor journey man QB named Earl Morrall. Even with all the injuries Colts kept it closeand Unitas threw another bomb at the end to win it or so everyone thought. All the fans stormed the field, thousands of them and they were on the goal posts pulling themdown. Only problem, there were still about 20 seconds left, just enough time for a kick off andone play. It took 20 mins to clear the field and kick the ball. Morrall, who would blow SB 3 as the Colts QBdropped back and threw a 5 yard pass to his WR who raced down the side line untouched for the winning TD. There were still fans up on the goal posts pulling them down and on the field. It was nothing but mass confusion but the fans physically lost that game for the Colts. People wereseen walking down 33 rd street with long pieces of the goal posts-lol. A guy up our alley stuck apole from a goal post in his back yard. lol True. Can anyone see that happening today with SAFE around there-lol. That's why the press called it the world's largest outdoor insane assylum. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 ILMAO - My math teacher said you can make anything you want of statistics. My 6th gradecounselor told my dad I'd never go to college. I have the statistics here to show you. Six yearslater he became my counselor in college - good ole U of MD in college park. Goldie Hawn andConnie Chung hung out with me on Friday nights at the Student Union for mixers. Anyway so by increasing the number of games Joe played in to 10 the winning pct comes outa little lower and just a little lower than the other guys winning just 2 in 6 games. Not going by pct, Joe won 3 games which is more wins than the others and that is the point. Still laughing at resident troll.Joe was a turnover machine like Schaub turned out to be. But with Mallett the picks went down. That is probably why the win percentage is a little better, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Joe won 3 in 10 games. That is a .300 win percentage. Without Joe they won 2 in 6 games. That is a .333 win percentage. Do you really want to argue math? I'm a math major jackass...get bent. You're the Michael Moore of this message board. Bend the facts and or pick the ones that suit you. Gotcha...understood. How about 3>2? How about 3 out of 16 games is a better percentage from 2 out of 16. Better yet, by your logic, Schaub and Mallet are better quarterbacks because they won 50% of the games they played. Brilliant!!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 If Joe's win percentage goes for 16 games it is a 4.8 wins. If you go with what was on the field for the last 6 games it is 5.328 wins. Really the question is less why Joe played a little worse than his replacements. But why wasn't he so much better than them? Something else I found really interesting from this weekend. I was watching the game in a bar. the game next to the TV I was watching had the Was Dal game on. During the game Cousins broke the single season passing yards record with 4166 yds. What shocked me was who had held the record. Jay Schroeder had 4109 in 1986. Before the rule change Schroeder broke 4000 yds. Why can't Joe do that with the easier passing rules? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Not laying it all on WR talent but has Joe ever had a star WR? Ever? Just retreads and on their way outs... Joe is a winning QB. Not a perfect QB< but a winning QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well why is it Q was a 1000 yd WR in Zona and stopped here. He got to SF and he was a 1000 yd WR again. I would put the winning at the feet of the team as a whole. I think Joe was more riding some coat tails. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 If Joe's win percentage goes for 16 games it is a 4.8 wins. If you go with what was on the field for the last 6 games it is 5.328 wins. Really the question is less why Joe played a little worse than his replacements. But why wasn't he so much better than them? What was the SOS like over the games Joe played v the games the others played? Can you factor that into your equation anywhere? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What is SOS? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Well why is it Q was a 1000 yd WR in Zona and stopped here. He got to SF and he was a 1000 yd WR again. I would put the winning at the feet of the team as a whole. I think Joe was more riding some coat tails. Well Q couldn't have been successful due to Kap, who is going to be looking for a job...I guess Q got his yards due to the team...go figure. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 But Q did get his yds with Kap. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4512/anquan-boldin In 2013 and 2014 Kap was the QB. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 What is SOS?Strength of Schedule. By the way, defense played remarkably better since Week 10: http://espn.go.com/blog/baltimore-ravens/post/_/id/24989/ravens-remarkably-finish-as-nfls-second-best-defense-in-second-half-of-season Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Honestly the Hardest part of the season was in the back end. It was front ended by not the greatest teams. So you say the D had a hand in the wins in the back end? Oh so when Joe gets all thr credit for the wins in the past I am not seeing the D getting any credit then. You can't have it both ways. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
GrubberRaven Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 But Q did get his yds with Kap. http://espn.go.com/nfl/player/stats/_/id/4512/anquan-boldin In 2013 and 2014 Kap was the QB. I didn't phrase this well...then is Kap is so great, why is he looking for work? Didn't Q have a better supporting cast? In Arizona he played opposite Fitz...makes more sense he got more yards...in SF they had a talented cast around him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Honestly the Hardest part of the season was in the back end. It was front ended by not the greatest teams. So you say the D had a hand in the wins in the back end? Oh so when Joe gets all thr credit for the wins in the past I am not seeing the D getting any credit then. You can't have it both ways.I didn't imply anything. You said you can't argue with math. I merely pointed out your mathematical argument is incomplete and provided additional facts. I am not taking a side here. If anything I lean to agree with you despite your faulty argument. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 I didn't phrase this well...then is Kap is so great, why is he looking for work? Didn't Q have a better supporting cast? In Arizona he played opposite Fitz...makes more sense he got more yards...in SF they had a talented cast around him. That is the point. Kap was able to successfully use Q while Joe's use was done in a mediocre way. In 2011 2012 Q had other weapons in Rice, Torrey, and Pitta. Everyone keeps yelling that Torrey is great in the argument about lacking Perriman. In 2010 there was Mason, Rice, Willis, Heap, Pitta, and Le'Ron. There have been weapons here. And Joe doesn't use them well. I didn't imply anything. You said you can't argue with math. I merely pointed out your mathematical argument is incomplete and provided additional facts. I am not taking a side here. If anything I lean to agree with you despite your faulty argument.Yeah when you take the games in the schedule it makes the argument Joe had a harder schedule moot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Honestly the Hardest part of the season was in the back end. It was front ended by not the greatest teams. So you say the D had a hand in the wins in the back end? Oh so when Joe gets all thr credit for the wins in the past I am not seeing the D getting any credit then. You can't have it both ways.Funny, the talk at the start of the season was how hard the first 6 games were going to be. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted January 5, 2016 Share Posted January 5, 2016 Yeah it turned out to not be true. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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