oldno82 Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 ...if any. Just wondering what your thoughts are on this. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Williams if they can afford it. Same with Wagner. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Aiken, Guy, Williams, Wagner, maybe, if anything just to keep some continuity. If he wants a boat load, let him walk, not a great run blocker no matter what the fromt office thinks.. And of course Juse, he proved his worth and earned a healthy paycheck. His last touchdown was epic. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Aiken is gone. He is pissed with the team for his lack of use. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 Aiken is gone. He is pissed with the team for his lack of use.Not a big loss, keep him sure, hard worker, good special teams player. But zero run after the catch, poor route runner... A dime a dozen. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 8, 2017 Share Posted February 8, 2017 In 2015 I think he was really good. They decided to ignore him last season. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted February 9, 2017 Author Share Posted February 9, 2017 Aiken is just your basic everyday receiver. Maybe the 3rd WR on most teams. Williams is gone. It would just cost too much cap to keep him. Same with Wagner though I wish we could keep him too.Guy and Juice probably stay. The price should be right on them. Of course the coralary to all this is what free agents should we go after and what high cap guys get cut. I think Dumerville goes because of his high cap and his future performance is an unknown. Maybe some others like Pitta though Joe would probably try to ge the FO to keep because of their friendship. Garçon would be a nice pickup if the price is right. Anybody else out there who could help us and not cost a boatload? It'll be interesting to see what they do with Wallace too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Keep Williams. This team must have a monster D to succeed.Then sign Guy and Juice together or sign Wagner because the game is won in the trenches.....should not hurt the cap too much. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 The problem with Wagner, however, is that Ozzie is already on record as saying he feels Wagner is the best right tackle in the league. Thus, he and his agent will want to be paid as such... The biggest free agent move this team can make is to get rid of Ozzie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
JPPT1974 Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Yeah as sadly Ozzie Newsome is there to stay. As he is well liked. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Keep Williams. This team must have a monster D to succeed.Then sign Guy and Juice together or sign Wagner because the game is won in the trenches.....should not hurt the cap too much.Wagner is rated as one of the best RTs in the league. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2608300-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-right-tackles-from-2015Jah Reid is rated better than him. That goes to the Ravens being unable to develop talent. Reid was horrible here and now he is rated in the top 35. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
tsylvester Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 Wagner is rated as one of the best RTs in the league. http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2608300-br-nfl-1000-ranking-the-top-35-right-tackles-from-2015Jah Reid is rated better than him. That goes to the Ravens being unable to develop talent. Reid was horrible here and now he is rated in the top 35.Put no stock into those ratings, they are a joke. Reid sucks plain and simple. If they had those types of ratings back a few years, Kip Vickers (an Ozzie fav) and Harry Swayne (the human turn style) would be top rated tackles too.. All you have to donis watch the games, Wagner is decent, tops? No chance, because of he is, the tackle position in the NFL sucks. These guy do not have the time to watch every game of every player in the league. They go by stats, which can be used to make any point. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 9, 2017 Share Posted February 9, 2017 No Wagner was rated by PFF. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-1207-20161206-story.html Wagner has also earned the line's second-highest grade from Pro Football Focus. He owns an 83.8 grade, which trails only Yanda's 89.1 rating. Wagner's grade ranks eighth among right tackles and 17th among all offensive tackles in the league. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted February 10, 2017 Author Share Posted February 10, 2017 I wonder what the going rate is for a RT ranked around where Wagner is (8th). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted February 10, 2017 Share Posted February 10, 2017 I guess, according to PFF, we better keep Wagner. If not, he ends up All World on some other team, right ? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted February 14, 2017 Author Share Posted February 14, 2017 Here's the top 50 potential free agents according to PFF. https://www.profootballfocus.com/pro-top-50-nfl-free-agents-of-2017/?utm_source=email021417&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=nflnl2016 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm tired of seeing good young players leave. We have to find a way to keep Williams. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 I'm tired of seeing good young players leave. We have to find a way to keep Williams. Me Too!Keep him.Give me defense!Not Nonsense. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 With what cap space? I said last yr to sign him. He would have been about 20% cheeper then. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted February 16, 2017 Author Share Posted February 16, 2017 I guess the FO is concerned that if they give out a contract a year early they'll be on the hook if an injury happens. Personally, I think that's a poor way to run a franchise. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted February 16, 2017 Share Posted February 16, 2017 If they give him the deal now for 20% more and he is hurt next yr they are on the hook for 20% more. It is a really stupid way of doing business. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 With what cap space? I said last yr to sign him. He would have been about 20% cheeper then.The player has to want to sign also. What makes you think he would have signed last year when he was only one year away from being able to test free agency? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 1. Pick up LB C.J. Mosley's fifth-year option. This one's a breeze.2. Free up cap space. As perennially seems to be the case, the Ravens need a little breathing room to operate this offseason. They currently have $15.2 million in cap space, but we can create some more pretty easily. Baltimore could move on from 33-year-old linebacker Elvis Dumervil (whose release would free $6 million), 30-year-old wideout Mike Wallace ($5.8 million), 30-year-old cornerback Kyle Arrington ($2.1 million) and 36-year-old tight end Benjamin Watson ($3 million), the latter of whom would leave without ever suiting up for the team after he tore his Achilles in August. That's another $16.9 million in room.3. Re-sign NT Brandon Williams. The Ravens have one of the weirder roster constructions in football. Their lineup consists of players on rookie deals and veterans who were signed away from other teams in free agency, with precious little in the middle. They really have seemed to stop retaining the young talent they develop, even when those players are extremely talented. They have, by my count, just three players signed on "second contracts," which would be first extensions after rookie deals: Jimmy Smith, Dennis Pitta and Lardarius Webb.........http://www.espn.com/nfl/story/_/page/Barnwell5Moves2017AFCN/bill-barnwell-five-moves-afc-north-team-make-2017-nfl-offseason Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 That 3rd point hurts us a lot. We seem to spend time on draft picks, start to see them develop in the last year of their rookie deal and then they leave in free agency. We have got to do a better job evaluating these guys earlier and either signing them to long term deals sooner (and hopefully slightly cheaper). Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted February 17, 2017 Share Posted February 17, 2017 The "Raven Way", whatever that is, seems to have disappeared. Somehow how this Org needs to get its collective arse together and rekindle a winning formula for the next decade. Not sure the current cast and crew can figure it out but someone in the FO needs to get game and now. The screwing around since before the last SB win needs to go and a fresh, new approach to winning. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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