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#1 moonman

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:14 AM

I'll be brief. A couple items to ponder in the aftermath of Saturdays game.

1. Cam has trusted Joe Flacco with more of the play book as the season has progressed and he has
not made many mistakes. Yet early in game its as if it was Joes first game. When potential passing
situations came up in the first two possessions, Cam basically gave up and ran the ball. It bugged me.
What was it, 3rd and long both times, and not even a short pass was trusted to Joe. Was it
early crowd noice or something?
Don't you think this was a bit odd given that the Ravens have opened most of the play book up to Joe?
And do you think we will start off Joe the same way again in the next game? To me, this approach gets your
defense overworked from the start if nothing else.

2. On the NFL network, a very quick statement was made by Sanders in his analysis of the game. Many folks
may not have heard it, cuz they were covering things pretty quickly. But he basically said the Ravens Linebackers
are not very good in pass coverage. I'm not debating this point necessarily, but compared to the rest of the league's
linebackers is this a fair statement?
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#2 ForceEight

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:29 AM

QUOTE (moonman @ Jan 11 2009, 03:14 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll be brief. A couple items to ponder in the aftermath of Saturdays game.

1. Cam has trusted Joe Flacco with more of the play book as the season has progressed and he has
not made many mistakes. Yet early in game its as if it was Joes first game. When potential passing
situations came up in the first two possessions, Cam basically gave up and ran the ball. It bugged me.
What was it, 3rd and long both times, and not even a short pass was trusted to Joe. Was it
early crowd noice or something?
Don't you think this was a bit odd given that the Ravens have opened most of the play book up to Joe?
And do you think we will start off Joe the same way again in the next game? To me, this approach gets your
defense overworked from the start if nothing else.

2. On the NFL network, a very quick statement was made by Sanders in his analysis of the game. Many folks
may not have heard it, cuz they were covering things pretty quickly. But he basically said the Ravens Linebackers
are not very good in pass coverage. I'm not debating this point necessarily, but compared to the rest of the league's
linebackers is this a fair statement?

I don't have any problem with the playcalling. Last week, Cameron continually went for the home run play. He tried it again this week, but not early in the game. It was cold, raining, and an early mistake would have buried us quite easily.

You play to win the game, not play to gain 99 yards on each down. I'm happy that they continually worked on the inside run when it seemed as if it was going nowhere. We aren't yet built to get away from the run, and it was very smart that we didn't.

Simply put, while Cameron is a creative playcaller, he knows what he's doing and who he's playing against. It wasn't the time to go for the jugular.

I did hear what Deion said, and there's really not a lot of argument against it, especially if you watch the play during which he mentioned it. Lewis is by far the best of the bunch, but they have enormous problems keeping track of tailbacks who wander outside (Ray usually takes the tight end, and does so very well). Scott is an incredibly poor open-field tackler.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:34 AM

The playcalling was great from start to finish. Harbaugh's challenge was huge. This week and last week, have you ever seen a head coach so in touch with special teams? it's great

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Posted 11 January 2009 - 06:51 AM

The play calling sucked..I agree moonman, it was like they were protecting Flacco on tose 3rd down calls. Hes got the arm, let him go!!
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 09:03 AM

play calling didn't suck. It was a very good game plan. don't take too many chances as long as the game is close.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 09:45 AM

85% or so of the playcalling sucked.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 09:52 AM

The play calling reminded me of the 1977 OT Loss to the Oakland Raiders, In OT Ted Marchabroda decided to go very conserative and run Mitchell up the middle all OT long..It cost us the game. Luckily it didnt yesterday.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:12 AM

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...don't take too many chances as long as the game is close.

Some would call that playing not to lose, which usually means you lose. Football is not a sport where you can play scared and be successful.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:14 AM

Playcalling sucked on both sides of the ball for the Ravens.

Why don't we throw underneath like all these teams we play? Joe is getting in the habit of homerun or deep ball only. Don't forget the in betweens!
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 10:34 AM

The crowd noise limited them...it's just about the loudest and most football savy crowd in the NFL.

They had to go on a silent count the whole game...most importantly, Joe couldn't audible to beat the defenses with the big play passes.
It's one of the limitations of playing on the road.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:06 PM

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The crowd noise limited them...it's just about the loudest and most football savy crowd in the NFL.


Have to disagree a bit. Football savvy? Absolutely. Loudness? Eh.

Even ESPN writers were commenting earlier this week about how Tennessee isn't the mosh pit it once was. It's just plain mediocre.

I didn't like how Diefdorff kept coming back to it. I had my whole stereo on and the noise still wasn't as loud as I have heard other places (including Baltimore) this year.

The fans were good... not great, in my opinion.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:36 PM

I know what Cameron was trying to do he was trying to play a field position game. While they did win I think Cameron would get a lot of heat for his play calling. I don't agree with running it on 3rd & 18 was it? But thats just me.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 01:46 PM

QUOTE (vmax @ Jan 11 2009, 10:34 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
The crowd noise limited them...it's just about the loudest and most football savy crowd in the NFL.


I thought it was loud, but it sounded to me that they were loud when the Titans had the ball too. So savvy? Not sure.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:46 PM

Sorry guys but the place was ridicolousy loud yesterday. Flacco couldn't hear his mic in the helmet numerous times.


As far as the playcalling, it bothered me a tad. Almost every first and second down titans had 8-9 guys in box. Streak pattern and crossing patterns were open all game. We needed to use more playaction, however I think the playcalling was so conservative b/c we weren't in great field position. Walking back to hotel after the game, numerous titans fans were talking to me about why we don't let Flacco throw the ball cause they thought he was a stud qb.

Referees gave titans their first td on that weak illegal contact call on rolle and mason seemed to get raped all game.
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 03:58 PM

I really don't know what you guys were watching. What you hear on television means absolutely nothing as to how loud it actually is. Considering Flacco's actions and the body language of folks in the stadium, it was incredibly loud (which someone who was actually there just attested to).

We ran the ball 25 times and threw the ball 22 times, excluding rushes by Flacco. Ray Rice was in the game for just three snaps, and obviously wasn't healthy enough to play. Who, then, would you like all these screen and short passes to? I recall a few slants, all of which were covered well. Heap isn't often used for short yardage anymore. It just seems like you guys can't be satisfied. We're playing not to lose the game? Well, did we lose?
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 11:28 PM

I think Cameron backs off the playcalling early in the game to allow Flacco's nerves to settle into the game. I think he tries to avoid making early costly mistakes and eases into the game plan. Also, Flacco just missed a third bomb that could've resulted in points, so I'm taking the wins as we get em and I'm looking forward to an explosive offense next year. I can't believe we're in the championship game!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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Posted 11 January 2009 - 11:39 PM

QUOTE (RavensNest8483 @ Jan 11 2009, 03:46 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
Sorry guys but the place was ridicolousy loud yesterday. Flacco couldn't hear his mic in the helmet numerous times.


I'll second that...it was crazy loud.

I'd have to say it was as loud as M&T...

Funny thing was, they were getting loud as crap on a commercial breaks, LOL.

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Posted 12 January 2009 - 10:05 AM

QUOTE (RavensFanNC @ Jan 11 2009, 11:39 PM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
I'll second that...it was crazy loud.

I'd have to say it was as loud as M&T...

Funny thing was, they were getting loud as crap on a commercial breaks, LOL.



How funny was the titans dlineman who were dancing during every TV timeout to whatever music was on.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 10:08 AM

It did sound loud on Saturday. However, like Spen said, it sounded loud when both teams had the ball. I heard a lot of Heap chants on that fourth quarter chant. I wonder how many Ravens fans were there.
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Posted 12 January 2009 - 01:28 PM

QUOTE (thundercleetz @ Jan 12 2009, 10:08 AM) <{POST_SNAPBACK}>
It did sound loud on Saturday. However, like Spen said, it sounded loud when both teams had the ball. I heard a lot of Heap chants on that fourth quarter chant. I wonder how many Ravens fans were there.



My Section was a third baltimore fans.... it was awesome. The nightlife was great too, mostly all ravens fans taking over nashville bar scene.
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