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Good read, lot of fair points. With the exception of a couple games, I just do not think Lamar is playing that bad.

It's comfier than it looks.

John " BY All" Means just threw a 9 inning no hit shut out! 113 pitchers, great command, ton of 1st pitch strikes, ...really...a thing of beauty. 1st time for an Oriole in 52 years since Jim Palmer. By the 7th I was on the edge of my seat. Shit...it's rare for a pitcher to go 9 innings in today's baseball. O's beat the Mariners 6-0.

Yes! And how about Zimmermann! Ellicott City born and bread. Right next to the sweet air of Catonsville!

Patrick Mahomes this season....

I hope they pull back vaccinations from Texass and Mississippi.

Today is a very historic day as Biden has officially committed the US to move on a path of action towards global warming. It's a beginning. A huge change. So happy.

I think it's hard to improve when you lose 2 of your best linemen and your not given the tools to succeed. No reason for teams to respect the passing game when no one can consistently get open or catch the ball besides a tight end. Look at the talent around some of the other young QBs like Allen, Murray, or Mahomes. Night and day. But that's just my opinion. I didn't "know" how his career would go when he was drafted so I watch objectively.

No. Just no. He does not get to receive congrats and platitudes four years and two weeks, respectively after having his turtle head so far up Trump's butt. No. Screw him.

Spen, you cut me to the quick. Maybe I was a bit premature with my pedigree remarks about Lamar. Maybe not. Here's the thing - Lamar has a very unconventional skill set and he's almost impossible for teams to game plan for. When he's doing his thing and yes, having fun, he's almost impossible to stop and a helluva lot of fun to watch. Sure, fun isn't the metric or requirement; its the effect or outcome. Bill Pollian, ESPN, & NFL Network, offered an interesting perspective on XM radio this morning. He said with Lamar's unbelievable skill set, you almost can never truly game plan for him. Interestingly, he added that the decision give Ronnie Stanley a long term deal is closely linked to what the Ravens deal with Lamar. His reasoning - Lamar may not need the conventional blocking ( blind side LT) and signing Stanley could be counter with how we use and hence contract Lamar. His point is the Stanley and Lamar (future) signings have interesting implications and could be viewed as mutually exclusive. If you sign or extend Lamar then did we really need Stanley or could we look to OBJ as the better, wiser long term LT solution. Interesting food for thought. Back to the pedigree.... Pollian suggested that Lamar's amazing performance thus far (3 years) has gone without a hitch and hardly a nick. That's great but he and others believe that with his amazing skillset, Lamar may have an effective NFL shelf life similar to Cam Newtons (i.e. 7-8 years). I personally think Lamar has greater skills and pedigree than Cam but could envision an effective shelf life of 7-8 years. Here's the point - if Pollian and others are right (or even close), we might have already witnessed almost half of his effective shelf life in the NFL. And is his pedigree, which I truly enjoy and is fun to watch, is it fleeting ? Its a good topic to debate or ponder and there are no right or wrong answers. Fleeting or not, I'll continue to enjoy and look for whether Lamar is having fun - because a happy Lamar is a successful Lamar and a winning team. And you can bet Saturday night, given the respite from the broken world you described, I'll be watching Lamar and hopefully he and the team have a lot of fun in Buffalo.

So much personality in this thread, and I'm just sitting here enjoying the thread summary on the right sidebar. lol.

Agree totally with that analysis, Spen.

Hell yea. Thurman Thomas, Jim Kelly, Reed I'm drawing a blank on defensive stars....the had the sack king....Bruce Smith! Bennett

Everybody...go to the ER Happy Place! Drinks are on dee....

Some people just look for ways to be miserable.....

I'm dead....

lol. It was a massive waste of time.

I think the crowd is getting to their kicker

I think we should combine our talents and write a TV series. I'm certain we can do as good as Schitts Creek.

We are with you! A little history....

Thanks for asking. We're still in Cleveland at the Cleveland Clinic. His progress since the op has been slow. Today they're going back in to clean up some stuff. We are hoping and praying this is the end of the bad news. Doing everything I can to distract myself since only one visitor (his Mom) is allowed. Glad the board is here.

Time to make McSorely the #2 and if Lamar can't play he's who I would start.

OF ALL TIME!!!!!

Agreed the TEAM lost. And at 23 with his makeshift OL, barely serviceable WRs and questionable play calling, Lamar can only do what can he do? Still, at some point - maybe not this year - he will need to will the TEAM to victory, win the big ones, and yes a playoff game. He will get many chances to win, starting Sunday against the Titans.

Should have had two picks, missed a few open guys deep sown field when he chose to throw short. Those deep passes change games, win games. Was he the reason they lost? No, not by him self, that is not what I am saying. You want me to grade out the linmen? i will, the receivers? i will, start a thread on them or any position. But we are talking about Lamar and what he needs to do to improve.

I've been screaming play action for weeks, but that is not the main problem as we saw last night once again. Clearly he can only make throws that are right in front of him, consistently. The Pats ran mostly man and while Lamar had good numbers, numbers lie sometimes. If he can't beat man defense, this team will never win consistently any longer. Last year will have been a fluke; teams not ready for him, now they are and big plays disappear. Big games are still an issue, clearly.

"The Ravens are 6-2." "Really?!" Yea...and we're officially at the halfway point of the season." Let's celebrate!The Ravens found a way to win.

Hell Yea!!! Every city is mobbed with crowds celebrating this victory....never seen this before.

I thought the O line would lose this game yet they really came though. Players went down, players switched positions and they battled hard. All fight in that group. They steam rolled the Steelers D for 265 yards. Can't ask for more. 4 turnovers by Lamar killed their chances yet they still could have won. Then... 9 penalties for 110 yards killed their chances and to the Steelers credit, they took advantage of this and made the plays. They remained patient and found the way to win. As for the discussions above about letting Lamar go in free agency: No fucking way. As a fan I like winning games. I don't have to have a Super Bowl winning team every year. I love the exciting games. Lamar is young, smart and driven. He will get better. Give me another 5-10 years like we have seen with the hope of him improving. That's a lot of fun Sundays. There is some truth in this. Just look at Rodgers and the Packers. He got paid and no more Super Bowls....BUT!.......Their fans have had a ton of very exciting games. They are generally always in it. There are a lot of teams with high paid QB's who can't afford to build a team around them. Nevertheless....look at this...... The Steelers, Chiefs, Packers and Seahawks are all seriously in the Hunt. and...LOL!....the Eagles too. So you can win and win big with high paid QB's. Organizations just has to be fortunate to have made the right choice on who to bank their fortunes. You have to have a QB who can carry an offense. Lamar is not there yet as a passer.....but as a threat, he is 100% there. Remember: He now has 30 starts...he's a sophomore. 7 games in 2018 as basically a runner, 16 games in 2019 transitioning into a passer/runner with an offensive rushing scheme that took the NFL by surprise. 7 games in 2020 in a league that has adjusted to the Ravens style of offense. There is a ton of room to get better. A high ceiling once adjustments are made and Lamar grows. We should have a separate thread on this interesting topic. I love to argue! Hard to put this game to rest....Give me Johnny for a little while.... "On the Sunday morning sidewalk, Wishing, Lord, that I was stoned...................."

Boykin does have good hands---and apparently little else. I sound like a broken record: let Proche and Duvernay play dammit.

You should vote tomorrow. There's going to be an all day deluge of rain. Nobody is stupid enough to go out in that.

More people would have been prepared?

I'd rather see our new guys get more playing and targeting time.

Stanley can't stay healthy...he doesn't need to get paid like Tunsil.

Yep, doesn't fit your narrative so they are not big games. Shocking! Dumbass, I don't know you or follow you on Facebook. That sounds like another person who thinks you're an asshole.

Stock Down: Greg Roman The collapse of the offense was eerily similar to the playoff loss to Tennessee. Completely abandoning the run game can not happen. I point to a sequence on the very first drive. As we all saw, the Ravens offense quickly and efficiently marched downfield into the red zone. First and ten on the 15-yard line, and a touch pass to a sweeping Devin Duvernay gains seven yards and sets Roman and the offense up with second and short. You would think a team that set all sorts of records in rushing would continue to do what got them in scoring position in the first place, but instead Roman calls two pass plays in a row. The results? A throw away to avoid a sack with no one open, and a completed pass short of the first down marker to bring Tucker onto the field. Six points right there would have been huge, and a touchdown on the first possession could have set the tone and allowed them to stick with their style of play, which Roman seemingly only does with a lead. Moving away from the run game is the biggest takeaway for me. Every time it happens, the Ravens lose. There’s a debate out there to be had if the Ravens are built to come from behind (so far they aren’t), but that’s not what this is. In seemingly every high stakes game, whether it be in the playoffs or against Kansas City, Roman seems to abandon the run. As I said previously, I would like to see Duvernay and Proche’s involvement in the offense increase. The Chiefs have at least three speedsters at receiver, and they excel at taking the top off the defense and allowing Mahomes to show off his arm while Travis Kelce and Clyde Edwards-Helaire work in the middle of the field and out of the backfield, respectively. Furthermore, Andy Reid and Eric Beinemy dove deep into the playbook with touchdowns to the fullback and an offensive lineman. John Harbaugh and Roman have the personnel to mimic some of this. Duvernay played on just seven offensive snaps, and Proche never saw the field on that side of the ball. These two offer elite speed, something the other pass catchers outside of Marquise Brown don’t have, and would add another wrinkle to an already lethal offense.

Haha, not a chance, it's just a game, my dreams are more enjoyable and healthier...

So let's see if they allow this one from their site https://www.baltimoreravens.com/video/wired-marlon-humphrey-willie-snead-go-full-tilt-at-scrimmage

lol. I thought about buying one of my dad in Steelers gear. lol.