Why can't we give credit to the teams that beat us, especially Cincy. After Sunday's game, it is clear Cincy is an elite team. They did the same thing to the Steelers that they did to us. That does not make us a mediocre team. We are probably somewhere right above average. With that said Cleveland is a cellar team. There is no Cincy hangover, they simply whipped our ass. We gave our best effort, Cincy just had all the answers, like they did against the Steelers. Our best effort against Cleveland should result in a one-sided ass beating. As for the aging vets, what aging vets are you talking about? By my account Ray, Mason, and Birk are the only aging vets on this team that get extensive playing time. Edwards plays most of the time for Pryce. The problem lies with inferior talent at skill positions, mainly receiver and cornerback. It is not the vets that are hurting us. It is the "youth" like Washington, Clayton, Carr, Foxworth, Landry, and Gooden that are not stepping up.