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Thanks,man. We thought it was outrageous amount at the time. I couldn't remember the exact deal and today they're worth around $1B same as the Ravens w/o looking it up and mostly because of the venue and where it is.

A link I posted quoted KO that he wants to stay and Oz told him that he wants to sign him as LT so maybe he'll give us a home town discount. Ozzie will try damn hard to sign him because LTs are hard to find as we have seen since JO retired. Look at all the ones since then that haven't worked out. They can fit him under the CAP and cut Monroes who's CAP hit in dead money will be around $6M or so. If KO leaves Ozzie will definitely draft Ronnie Staly of Notre Damn whom he can insert at LT and just forget about him. Tunsil is the best LT and I've seen him going as high as # 1 in some mocks. I've also seen Bosa falling a bit so who knows. It's a shame if we have to use a #1 pick on LT because we need play makers so bad and will have to wait another year to get what we need. We'll be lucky to get 1 if KO leaves and Ravens draft Staley.

No way Ramsey lasts that long. In fact both him and Hargreaves could be gone by #6 but I doubt both will be. Jags drafting just above us will take one of them so the other should be there for us. As far as your Dallas comments, you know that and I know that but Jones doesn't know that. He wanted to draft Manzeil but his super scout talked him out of it. Jerry's antics are why he hasn't been to the SB since around 97 but he had Jimmy doing the draft who came out with the value chart most teams including the Ravens use now or rather Jimmy's assistant created it. The chart helps determine the values players have and if say Flacco should be drafted high where Ravens were or so they trade down to get him which they did saving the owner millions.

Im fearful that Dallas will take him. NFL.com was saying they will take a QB for Romeo to groom which was the word out of their camp but Jones is now saying they can wait til next year to draft a QB and he wants a WR now. It would be just like him to draft Treadwell just before us like when he traded in front of us to get DEZ. All the boards were doing a major melt down but Ozzie could have had him. His pal Bellicheat called and said Dallas is on the phone and NE is on the clock. They want to jump up to take DEZ. Do you want to up them Oz and he said no thanks. So he could have had him.

That link also has a link about the pro bowl with our guys Koch and Cox doing so well. Dooom played too. Koch paid for his entire family to go over so he needed the winner's share of over $50,000. He should be a millionaire by now after getting raises. Min wage is around $700,000 pr yr. The practice squad players make around $70,000 pr yr. Cox was part of two successful fake FGs. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Sam-Koch-Wins-Pro-Bowl-Gets-Needed-Bonus/f8c51176-1d5e-4f47-a0e2-740be182b920

T is right. Treadwell is not a speed guy but a possession receiver who gets good separation and yardage after the catch according to this link. He's compared to Alshon Jeffery but Harmon of nfl.com says he's better. Couldn't find his speed stat, but he's tall enough at 6'2, 220 lbs and combine that with Perriman's height over 6' and Joe has two pretty good weapons if Perriman comes back. Treadwell is the best receiver in the draft. Sounds to me like Ozzie likes him and is going for him judging by his statement at the top of this thread. He gets his playmaker with Treadwell and still gets defensive help in the later rounds. http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132057/laquon-treadwell

Good points guys. You're right T. It's where Ozzie puts him on his board that counts and I know he's the best receiver and think it could be Treadwell or whoever is left between Hargreaves and Ramsey. One of them should be there @ 6 and so will Treadwell. Cleets - Yea, Crabtree was a big let down and a dud in the SB and again the following year in Seattle on the last play before the next SB and he was covered like a blanket, same as Jimmy Smith shut him down in SB 47. That's why they have the combines - to get their exact measurements and speed but the Baltimore Colts did pretty well in the draft long before the Combines. So did GB, NY, OAK and a lot of teams. The Combines just puts all the players and teams in one place at the same time for everyone to see and judge. And we still never know how well they will do like Crabtreet and Perriman last year who never stepped on the field. WR has just been Ozzie's achilles heel but he still has two rings.

That's how we got Caldwell, he's was Ozzie's pal. He hired him to help him get another head coaching gig and he did. Caldwell was also on OZ]s short list when HARBs was hired by Bisciotti. Oz's old pal Marty Ball who coached him in Cleveland was also on the list and so was his son Brian in NY considered a hot item at the time. HARBs brought guys like Mattison whom he worked with from his father's team in college and some others.

LOL - Yea, that would be just like them to blow smoke at us this time of year. Great point. Based on what you said - it sounds like they want Treadwell but I posted a link Oz would have to trade down to get him because he's projected further down but will obviously rise up the boards after his official 40 time is after the combines in plus the other stats. He'll be one of the fastest men in the draft if not the fastest. If they get TReadwell and Perriman comes back they'll have the two fastest guys in the last two drafts and watch Joe go to work with them and SR and a bulked up Maxx.

I posted a link from Walter Football which is a respected site that the draft isn't too deep this year in talent. The Ravens site is now saying there will be premier talent in the later rounds. Go to: www.baltimoreravens.com

Gotta give him an A for originality going thru Wendy's naked.

Don't get worked up til they do it and somebody goes down which they will anyway. Webb went down just walking around the field and there was no action at the time. Perriman was hurt out in OM. He never played a game there. He was hurt at OM. He had great mini camps always breezing by the secondary.

Thanks, man. I though so. Yea, you're right. The dome was a bad idea and for the reason you mentioned. The old Civic Center was just too small and we lost the Bullets because they had under 5,000 fans at each game. Phil Chanier said it was so quiet we could hear the fans converations in the stands-lol. I still can't believe how Memphis has a team and we don't. Michael Oher's father is the play by play announcer - Sean Touey-sp. We're much bigger town but they have the arena, we don't and the state won't build one like you see during March madness. Damn, they're as big as some stadiums.

That's right. Fans would have been tearing down the goal posts like in 1960. We were at the bottom of the concourse and the entire building shook like an earth quake. I said, damn, we're having an earthquake. He was trying to land on the field and almost made it-lol.

Sandusky of TV 11 had a show during the season and discussed was it a good thing that the Colts left that brought the Ravens here. He said I have a stake in this because my father was a coach for the Colts and Irsay fired him but Im glad the Colts left because we got the Ravens and won two SBs. We have more trophies than Indy has after being out of the game that long so all is well that ends well. Well, not quite. Sandusky didn't grow up here. He wasn't here when the Colts left. He didnt feel our pain when they left and especially the pain of the 12 years we didn't have football. Having Irsay here was better than having nobody. So yea, things worked out better in the long run but nobody forgets having your heart cut out of your city and all the pain it caused.I never liked Sandusky anyway. Prefer Scott Garceau and Tom Matte. When you turn the radio on you have to wait a while to hear the score but you can tell of the Ravens are losing or winning just by the sound of Sandusky's voice.

Yea, I remember those too but you should have seen the ones at Harvard Stadium built around 1901 and is still there. That stadium actually saw 17 players killed in games there in 1905 and Congress almost outlawed football-lol. It took the President Teddy Roosevelt to keep that from happening. He was a great football fan but never played in his rich neighborhood but his son played at Harvard but broke his leg there in a game. His son became a General and died on Normandy Beach in June 1944. Anyway, back to troughs, there's one still there that is metal and looks like a huge bath tub on legs and is long. So there's abouit 10 guys on each side pissing in at the same time. It was a riot and everyone was laughing. There were all kinds of cocks pissing in that thing, white ones, black ones, big ones and small ones, even a guy with no cock. It must have been blown off in the war. Their toilet stalls had no doors or locks on them so guys that were embarrassed to piss in a public trough couldn't hide his dick in a stall. True. Back to Memorial Stadium, they actually put elevators in going all the way up to the top in 1966 but they crashed and a bunch of kids got hurt. Man, there was blood all over the place. One 12 yr old girl died. You can google it. I was with my brother and I said we're walking. I was 15 in the 10th grade at the time. That's for pussies so we walked up. By the time we got to the top we heard all this yelling and screaming and it was a bloody mess. The cops came in plus the TV crews of course, so I called home to tell our parents that we were safe. They didn't even know it but turned it on and it was all over the TV, even national TV. Dad said why didn't you go on it and I said it was for pussies. He said that's my boy. The irony was it happened on Nation Safety Week and all the kids wearing safety belts got in free. So much for safety. It was a major national embarrassment for city officials. Then there was the day the plane crashed into the stadium. He was actually trying to land the plane on the field and was a flight instructor. It was after the Squeelers-Colts playoff game in 76, I think. It crashed in the upper deck. Fortunately, it was about 20-30 mins after the game and no one was up there but people were still in the stadium while walking out. The pilot ended up in a mental institution. LOL

Thanks. I obviously didn't know that. Then it's definitely time for the state to make more upgrades or Biscut might get upset after paying for the last ones. All buildings need maintenance. I do know that they painted the seats in Oriole Park and made renovations there. I don't think Petey would have paid for anything like that but it's in good shape. You buy a house and you gotta maintain it, put a new roof on and in our case a new basement when there were cracks in the walls. Cost $15,000. If the state keeps up the upgrades, they won't have to build a new one any time soon. Art could have had a dome. It was an option in the original package. I wanted one because we would have obtained an NBA and possible NHL team. The NHL tried to come here in 66 but the Civil Center was too small. It housed the old Clippers and then the Skip Jacks of hockey. Anyone remember those teams. Then there was the Bullets of the NBA that also left. Nobody shed any tears except my family. We went to a lot of games when Gus Johnson, Wes Unseld Earl The Pearl Monroe, Kevin Loughery, Phil Chanier were there and Bunny Wilson from the U of Baltimore. My cousin played for Maryland and he and his brother and two friends actually went out of the team when they trained at Ft Mead. Bruce was tall and good and was the last player cut. Every year they played the Knicks in the playoffs and like with the Os vs Yankees in the 90s they always lost. There wasn't much support so a guy named Pollard from DC bought and moved them there after the new arena was built on the DC Beltway and now play in the magnificient MCI Center while we still have the old Civic Center called something else now. I haven't been down there since the 90s. But we might have gotten new teams with a domed stadium next to the convention center to bring in more conferences and shows plus the NCAAs including the regionals and Final 4. Art said football was meant to play outside so we didn't get a dome but it's brought up every so often.

The state just paid millions for upgrades to the stadiums for a larger score board in HD and for the sound system and for concessions and bathrooms. Bisciotti had more bathrooms installed as soon as he became owner because he knew the situation from being a season ticket holder. He also got more TVs posted around the bathrooms so guys wouldn't miss the game while standing in line. I never had a prob because I always sat in the club leve next to the bathroom. I always took my nephew who said the real fans sit out in the cold Uncle T but he didn't mind it during the PO game we won vs Denver which was freezing cold during the SB35 run. Goose knew we would win as soon as he stepped out the door. The Ravens were built as a cold weather team. Denver was not and they're in the Rockies. Back to the stadium, an owner will give cities 25 years but they better do something but see renovations above. I don't think that is enough but Biscut isn't going anywhere. I never heard that about his selling if he doesn't get what he wants. That's not his MO. I posted a link that he serious thought about selling because of all the bad Ray Rice comments around the country. He likes flying below the radio where no one knows him. I loved Memorial Stadium. Lived right behind it and played in the parking lot and waited for players to enter the locker rooms. Sometimes players would give us a quarter to get them a paper and cigs which kids could buy back then. It Great for watching baseball on a warm summer night. It was outdated before they built it with all those poles in it and it went high and further out and thus the Luchinno comments for a smaller stadium with all seats close to the field. Ravens seats are much closer to the field and go straight up instead of up and out. Every seat is close to the field. I heard Ravens were going to dig up the field and put grass in because of all the injuries. Did anyone else hear that?

WoW craven - that's cool having Jackman as a neighbor. I met his daughter who was gorgeous. both were really cool. The Os would have moved to DC a long time ago w/o Camden yards but we can thank Irsay for that. The legislators finally woke up and created the stadium authority to run it. Larry Luchino was brought over from EBWs law firm to run things. he helped create the design telling the architechs they wanted a Fenway park type stadium where the seats were close and the field would be small. EBW put the city on trial because there weren't enought fans. there was a 4 game weekend series vs somebody and over 100,000 fans came out and EBW said they city passed. Theyre staying. then he died in 88 and the estate sold the team to Eli Jacobs and Luchinno started mumblings bout a new stadium. After losing the Colts they quickly built the yard which is still being called the greatest venue in the world for watching sports but O's would have definitely moved w/o no stadium. Roland Hemond was GM and he made the worse trade in Orioles trading Harnisch and Schilling, for Glen Davis a power hitter who did nothing here but get injured while the two minor league pitchers became the best in baseball. Schilling became a 20 game winner and HOF, I think. Jacobs sold to Angelos, or the team went into court after Jacobs lost all his money and Petey out-bided everyone and we were sooooooo excited to have him as owner. He paid the lsargest sum ever for a professional team at the time of $275M, but old Jerry said he paid the most of any individual for Cowboys. Petey had an investors group that included tom clancy who died a couple of years ago but he still has an offince in the warehouse with his name on it. Petey won't let anyone forget him. Petey is a nice guy for those that know him. I met him at the firm as he represented dad in the asbestos case vs Beth steel. He got a nice settlement for him which helped him and mom thru retirement after Beth Steel lost everything and was sold and all the employees lost pensions. Mom still gets $77 pr mo from them after dad working there for 50 yrs.

Irsay called Elways bluff and lost. He still didn't report to the team for the conference to introduce him. He was heading to NY and said Colts could have had 3 high picks for him and have nothing. I'm playing baseball. The lesson we should all know by now is that Irsay was always going to move even with Elway. It would have made matters worse losing the team and him. He had been shopping it for 12 years and even had a place to move to when he had to sneak out of town because of the new law. Elway would have put seats in the stadium for a while so would Marino but not long enough to keep the team. They were going to move - plain and simple unless a new stadium was suddenly built and Bmore wasn't getting one at that time. Does anyone remember Bert Jones going out to give Elway the bad word about Irsay and all his drunken tirades like the one when Irsay interrupted a radio interview Bert was given in a drunken state and they had to cut the line off the air. He was cussing Bert out good on the air. Elway didn't need to hear them because he wasn't coming anyway. When ERick Dickerson went to the Colts he said he just didn't believe all those Irsay stories he heard. He does now. ILMAO Then there was the time Bert called the comish and said you better get your ass to Bmore or there won't be a game Sunday. It was Tuesday. The team will be revolting. He said they'll be doing what? Bert said revolting. He told Pete how there was a dispute between the GM Joe Thomas and coach Ted Marchibroad who wanted more control over player actions like trading my fav Ted Hendricks to GB for nothing. He moved on to OAK and made the HOF as a Raider and got two more SB rings - hugh. He also gave Unitas, Matte and Mackey to SD for nothing and Bubba to OAK. That was the heart out of our 2 SB teams. Strangely, Bruce Laird stayed for the duration and so did Mike Curtis, I think. When SDs QB joined the HOF he thanked Unitas who was dead but said thanks John. I finally made it thanks to you. Unitas took a young Dan Founts under his wing and taught him everything for two years. Unitas in SD - HUGH. So Pete gets Irsay on it and he has this big summit meeting on his Yacht in the Great Lakes. Irsay said both guys nearly threw each other off the boat. He liked what Thomas had done but knew the team was behind the coach and wouldn't play for Thomas at all so he fired Thomas and things had settled down by Saturday. It was always a riot in Baltimore during the 70s. No one will forget the biggest riot at the airport when he flew in to meet the mayor after meeting with those Phonix officials about moving out there and he's drunk and slobbering over the mike and says they're my GD team and I will call the mayor and tell him if I ever move that GD team. All the reporters are like wow, just wow. They couldn't believe what they just witnessed accept for Steadman and Jackman. They'd seen it too many times. ILMO.

No, I didn't know any of that and I thought I knew everything about the moving of the Colts. I didn't know Elway signed with Yankees, thought he used them as a pawn, that's all and he kept the bonus? Yea, Elway might have toiled a year in the bushes but not much more. He wasn't no where near Mattingly as a baseball player so you don't build around slap hitters like Elway. Further proof of how Elway used the Yankees was he signed that football contract really fast in Denver. Irsay said at least I got him 500 miles from the beach. He won't be riding any waves in the cold mountains. ILMAO I always thought Acorsi never had a say in the matter. It was all Irsay. He drafted and tried to sign Elway and almost had him when Irsay caved in. Marino was the guy I wanted and was surprised Squeelers didn't make a play for him. If it was a pusher he wanted he found a hell of a lot better one than Kush in Miami - good ole jut jaw Shula who should have one at least one SB with Marino but he kept Shula in the game and from forced retirement for a long time. Acorsi would have been the GM for our expansion team here. He went from the Colts front office to the Browns and then ended up in NY for George Young, the famous high school coach from City in Bmore. When I went there Young had the 5th ranked hi school team in the country. I mean do you know how many hi school teams there are in the country that have football teams. Everyone on that team played college ball including Tom Gatewood, All American at Notre Dame and then the NY Giants during the 70s. The guy that beat me out for RB scored 2 TDs in 1 game vs OKlahoma a few years later for U of Pitt and was then drafted by Squeelers but was beaten out by Franco Harris. Well Shula knew Young and asked him to grade some players and liked him so much he gave him job as o-line coach. Then he took Young to Miami where he moved into the personnel office under Joe Thomas when he became the GM here. When the Giants needed a GM they asked Tags for a recommendation and he said Young who discovered someone named Parcells who drafted Lawrence Taylor and won 2 SB in the 80s. Young retired in the 90s and Acorsi became the GM and built their SB35 team that we beat. He finally retired a few years ago and named Reese as his replacement who promptly won 2 SBs but those teams were already built and set up by Acorsi. Since then the Giants have gone down hill because Reese went away from drafting the BPA and has drafted for needs. Acorsi said he got his masters degree in the draft in Bmore when GM Joe Thomas left Walter Peyton on the board and took a lineman. Colts had a good RB but Peyton became the best there ever was. Yea, I remember that Al Davis mess. Pete Rozelle hated him and called him a rogue. Davis retorted saying Pete was Nixon's PR man-lol but OAK made some nice offers the Colts should have accepted. Acorsi didn't have the power to make any decisions himself on trades and had to wait on Irsay.

Irsay said he would have made more money staying in Bmore but had to get the hell out when the state passed the domain law. He had a place to go to. Denver figures in all this too with Elway now the GM. Irsay took a lot of heat for trading Elway for a lineman but Elway said he would never play in Baltimore. The Yankees offered him a contract in the minor leagues but he was just a slap hitter with a strong arm. He would have never toiled in the bushes when he could have made millions in football. The problem was with Kush who was the Colts coach. Johns father who was a college coach hated Kush. Maybe he stole some recruits from Jack but Jack wasn't about to let his son play for Kush. John always said it wasn't about Baltimore but Kush. I think OAK offered Irsay 3 high draft picks including 2 #1s and Irsay turned them down. It wasn't til the last min he caved in and made the deal. He actually drafted Elway to call his bluff but Elway still didn't sign. Then Irsay caved in but his GM whom he didn't even consult said Elway's pen was raised and was going to sign when Irsay caved in. Accorsi the Colts GM. Irsay hated John Steadman and Jackman of the Sun for crucifying him and actually blamed them for leaving when he got to Indy. Steadman went to the first game out there and was working in the press box when Irsay barged in cussing him out and saying how does it feel now not to have a team. Local reporters were shocked. They just saw Irsay in the flesh. Elway wouldn't have stopped the move. Irsay was determined to leave since he got here and would have taken Elway with him had he signed. But we've always hated Elway and that smug look on him and we always root vs Denver. Elway became a good GM though and built this SB team in Ozzie Newsome fashion. This could be Elways crowning moment getting a ring as a GM. GO PANTHERS. BTW, they have a former Baltimore Colt as an owner - Richardson. He was a WR here during the 59 Chamionship victory vs NY. He schocked teammates not showing up in 1960 but stayed home flipping burgers in a new fast food called Hardees. He used his $6,000 earnings to buy the franchise and kept buying restaurants including one called Dennys which he owned when he got the Panthers. He's the only player owner in NFL history to be a player and owner, well except for maybe Halas. Not sure if he played in NFL.

That's about how long a stadium lasts with all the new inventions like sky boxes which Memorial Stadium didn't have plus it was outdated before it was even built with many poles obstructing views. The new stadium has none of that and all the seats are closer to the field. Jimmy got a new dome a few years ago which was just about 20 years or so. He threatened to move to LA. The cities are now quick to build. Bob said he could have made more money staying in Bmore but in the end he became one of the richest owners in that stadiums. When he bought the team he paid $19M for it and Rosey told him it would be worth $100,000 in 10 years. Today, Colts are worth a little over $1B partly due to the new dome and its revenues. I guess Bisciotti will want a new one in about 5 years or so. He just got millions in updrades to Ravens Stadium.

LOL - The good old DON'T TAMPA WITH OUR COLTS bumper stickers. I had one on all our cars. That's what started the move and Irsay wasn't even here. It was started when Rosenbloom wanted a new stadium in the 60s and was basically told to forget it. St Louis did it to the Cardinals and they moved too. Now the cities are quick to keep their teams although St Louis might lose the Rams. The Jags in JAX is in even worse financial condition and JAX got a franchise team over us. They knew they couldn't match our offer of a new stadium plus all parking and all concessions profits for twenty years, so they dropped out of the bidding. Then Tags went down there and said to re-enter or he'd have to give the ball to Baltimore. They knew then they had the team. Thev'ye kept thousands of upper deck seats covered because they can't sell them. They never have sellouts and get blacked out of games on TV. Back to the bumper stickers, Rosey played an exhibition game in Tampa vs the Steelers around 1969 or 70. There was no hate for them in those days because they always lost-lol. They lost for 50 years before winning. It was a game in which Bubba Smith busted his knee when he stumbled into the chains of the chain gang on the side lines. Rick Volk, our Ed Reed of the day, intercepted a pass and Bubba was blocking for him and the play was pushed out of bounds and he ran into the chains getting his knee twisted up bad. He was never the same after that. But Rosey was making his good will tour shopping the team around. Irsay knew and did the same thing as soon as he got here and couldn't get a new stadium. Rosey wanted the NFL to expand and to name Tampa as a city and he was moving the Colts there and Pete Rozelle the comish basically told him to go to hell. We're not a nomad league and nobody is moving anywhere. So Rosey's lawyer puts him in touch with Hugh Culverhouse the famous tax attorney in Tampa. He engineered the trade with Irsay for the Rams which would be bought by Irsay. Irsay was known by Joe Thomas, the GM and Ozzie of his day who put together Shula's Dolphins SB teams and later built the Colts with the Sack Pack and Bert Jones, Lydell Mitchell and Roger Carr on offense. He also left Walter Peyton on the board because they had Mitchell who became the best runner in history while Colts drafted a lineman-lol. Back to Thomas, as a finders fee, Thomas would be the GM for Colts. And when the NFL did expand Pete remembered that game in Tampa and gave them a franchise and Culverhouse, the tax atty became it's owner. See all the connections here. Forbes and the Wall Street Journal called the swap the worse trade in business history. Irsay was trading the 2d largest city for the 24th largest. He obviously failed math in school but Irsay always said the Colts were the team he wanted the most and could have kept the Rams after he bought them. He even named the name of his construction company to Colt Construction. He won the air conditioning and ventalization contract for all of Disney World when it was built. He would later lose his company after selling it to a conglomerate but he stayed on as president. The company that bought it was embarrassed by his threats and acting in Baltimore and shopping the team that they basically fired him from his own company-lol. When he got to Indy the Colts became his only business but he loved the name because he took so much heat from it that he was never giving it back and made Jimmy to promise he never would and he never did telling Art he could buy it for $25M which Art didn't have. So back to the Tampa stickers, all Colts fans in Bmore got all these stickers on their cars but that's how all the shopping got started. When he didn't get a new stadium Rosey said Im going to teach Baltimore a lesson and he did and it was his home town but he didn't give a shit. He swindled the family business from his siblings. He father owned a denim pants factory. He had 4 sons and a daughter and they were all to own it when he died. He loved Rosey who took good care of him when he was sick and dying and got him to change the will. His dad died and Rosey kicked his siblings out. He expanded the factory to making denim shirts and took over the industry. He was ruthless but had a weakness for gambling. He owed Vegas a lot of money. Rosey, an expert swimmer even at 70, drowned off his beach front estate in Florida and Arty Donovan called Unitas and said mafia frogmen just got Rosey. There was a police investigation and his wife was even questioned which upset her. She got the team and promptly remarried before Rosey's body was cold. She was a stripper when Rosey met her and a damn good looking women. She was great looking at middle age and did all those American Express commercials back in the 80s and 90s. I wrote her a letter and said thanks for moving the Rams here and told her I had a Baltimore Rams t-shirt and coffee mug. Never heard from her as the Rams never came. I also have a Baltimore Cardinals t-shirt and hat-lol. There was also the incident about the SB 5 trophy. Rosey stole it and took it with him to LA. Everything was to go to Irsay including all trophies and memorabilia. Irsay was furious and demanded that Rozelle get it back but the comish was afraid of Rosey so he ordered the only replica ever made of the SB trophy. It's now in Baltimore in the sports museum. Colts gave it back to the city and a lot of the memorabilia in exchange to drop the law suit vs them and they promised to vote for Baltimore to get the expansion team. The original SB 5 trophy was last seen in Georgia's sun room. She's now dead and her daughter sold the Rams, very smart, so she probably has the trophy some where.

Speaking of old films, the movie DINER mentioned above has some sound bites of Chuck Thompson doing the Colts games. He was still doing the Os at the time but retired and passed away. What memories going to the pool or beach and listening to Chuck Thompson every summer. Chuck always went with us. I met him about 15 years ago and he autographed his book which was basically about all his drinking binges with his best pal Bailey Goss-sp? Speaking of old unis, Levinson came out with a documentry film a few years ago called THE BAND THAT NEVER DIED about the Baltimore Colts marching band, now the Ravens marching band. Irsay tried to take the band unis to but the were locked up someone. They had a court order but the band leader said they were privately owned by the individuals and not by the club and he wasnt telling anyone where they were-lol. The office just gave up asking because there wasn't much time. They had to leave. Frank Kush was the Colts coach at the time and said it was the most bizarre moment of his life seeing them come in and taking everything out including his desk and everything in it. No one in the bldg knew the movers were coming. Irsay's lawyer hired a college frat from Hopkins to help the movers with the boxing. A lot of them were from out of town and didn't care but once they saw all the trophies they had to box up he knew they were something special and something sinister was going on. When Kush got here he heard that Irsay had been shopping the team and got the movers and pushers in Phoenix to make a pitch it. They met but Irsay did nothing. Then Indy hears about it and said what about us, we even have a brand new dome stadium waiting for you. Irsay still didn't move until that dumb mayor Donald Scheafer got the imminent domain law pass, an idea from his assistant, that condemned the team. The law was immediately passed the same day in Annapolis and to be signed by the guv the following day. That was just enough time for Irsay to sneak out of town in the night and a snow blizzard. Irsay always said he was the one that was ambushed and had his property threatened. He wasn't going to move til then. Yea sure, but he had a place to move to and the seats were already painted with the Colts colors of blue and white in there. We went to the last playoff game in Indy. I had refused to visit any games or spend money there but when the guys said they were going to visit Irsay to shit on his grave I jumped at the chance. It was a weir cemetry. As soon as you drive in there are signs all over the place offering rewards for any vandalism. We finally find Irsay which is in an appropriate place on a hill over looking the slums of Indy. I mean all the houses across the street were boarded up-lol. It was all shittsville - worse than Pissburgh. So we start to get out of the car and I said wait a min. This is a set up. They have cops all over the place. There was an unmarked car on top of the hill and a man pretending to be mourning the grave next to Irsay but if you looked reallyhard you could see the outline of a gun under his coat. There was another car at the bottom of the hill. Sorry guys, Im not getting out. It seems a whole lot of people from Bmore shitted and pissed on his grave and the cops patrol it whenever Ravens go to Indy-lol. It's the most well guarded grave in the country-lol. I told that story and everyone laughed their asses off on Tony's board and a lot of guys said they went out there to do that too but then they were all pissed off when someone pissed on Art's grave here. What hypocrits and I reminded them how they laughed when we did it to Irsay or tried to.