JakeBrinerman
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Congratulations to the Steelers, great accomplishment. Now lets question the validity of the game: Officials were seen in Mike tomlins office at 4:30, in an inverted like 69 position.
Lets renew this topic in another 30 yrs and see how many the Ravens have.
If you can't beat 'em... squeal and cry that they only won because of the refs!
Want me to list all the garbage Arizona got away with? Be glad to if you want.
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A steroid riddled team at that. Try winning one without the use of drugs. Just one. You must need a day job too, to be posting at that time of day.
I think you'd better be worried a little more about what the local Crabtown baseball boys are doing, rather than some other city's players.
http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/basebal...03.photogallery
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They didnt cover the spread..Im really not happy with the outcome.
Sorry to hear.
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Correction - found the replay. You're right. Bad pass. Bad decision. But still not agreeing on inexperience. Played a role? Certainly. But Flacco was never overwhelmed.
I simply have to disagree. I have seen the replay as many times as anyone, I can never see the ball clearly. The TIP might... MIGHT... be on that white line... but there is nothing conclusive.
... And the Ward comment. Come on? I mean, Kudos to Ward for being great at what he does. But he is a master at baiting opponents into penalties. I have often said, I have no idea what he says or does to our guys when he's blocking them or standing next to them that gets them so riled up... but it must be REALLY good. Ward is known for holding his blocks a second too long, pushing and shoving just a bit after the whistle... but its never flag-worthy. And again, kudos to him for knowing the rule. But then our guy pushes back and... voila... flag!
1. Whether he was "overwhelmed" or not isn't the point. It was about his inexperience, which clearly showed in the game.
You can be calm and collected, and still make bad decisions.
2. I guess we'll never agree on the Holmes catch. Trust me, the one replay clearly shows the ball inside the middle of the white line.
3. Wait, aren't you the main proponent of the -- what was it you always like to say? -- oh yeah the "last punch rule"? You're not complaining about Ward and any penalties he might provoke are you? Because he's really just following your blueprint for success -- right?
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The Parade was fun too.
Advice to young Flacco: keep the day job. You'll never make it in the game prediction biz, kid.
Wow, the first and only team to snare six Lombardi trophies. Now that's something special.
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1. Ben's receivers got open. Joe's didn't. Flacco made some bad throws, but only later in the game when he was forced to (remember his first INT was tipped by his own receiver). Flacco never looked fazed to me. He looked collected until the final drive or two, but 'inexperience' didn't look like the root of his problems.
2. Oh... now the truth comes out. Harrison's been held allllll year. He's a "special case?" Give me a break. Who's begging for flags now? Suggs and Pryce get held like beasts every game too. Ed Reed gets held on every punt he tries to block. My point is that in some games officials call holding. In some games they don't. Suggs was tackled from behind on two plays in the game as well. The refs just weren't calling it. My point overall is more that Holding is a ridiculous penalty - it's never called fairly or appropriately. So deciding to call it then just proved that more.
3. I must not remember the first call then. I do remember watching both plays and believing, at the time, they were both legit. But I can't argue specifics post-game without rewatching the play.
4. I still have never seen a replay that shows, CONCLUSIVELY, that the ball made it to the endzone. Even in the replays on CBS I see a white line, I see Holmes' hands... but when the ball is in Holmes' hands? Where is the tip of the ball? It's all a blur. Even "zoomed up." I'm not complaining about the rule, I'm complaining about replay.
As for in the AFCC, again, in the spirit of the rule? Probably not. But by the letter of the law, it wasn't a catch. But when you watch the play at full-speed, not in slow motion, it looks more and more like a drop than a catch. The Ravens have been on the wrong side of that one plenty of times as well.
5. Again, last punch rule. It happens every game. Everyone knows it. Two guys are shoving back and forth (for whatever reason) and one guy gives one last shove... he gets the flag. Call it the Hines Ward effect. Ward holds his blocks just a second or two beyond the whistle... the opponent gets pissy and gives a shove... there goes a flag.
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I really don't see what you are arguing. I am not claiming that the call on Stone was a bad call. I'm claiming that Stone is a moron and cost his team the game.
Regardless of what happened up to that point, it was a two point game and he cost his team 30 yards of field position by trying to be the "bigger man." We can call that the Corey Ivy effect (kind of the opposite of the Hines Ward effect).
1. I have to wonder sometimes if you really watched the game. Flacco's first pick happened when Townsend stepped in front of the receiver, there was no tip. Townsend -- and please read carefully -- baited him, which is what you do to an INEXPERIENCED young QB. How you claim it is possible for a rookie QB's experience level, in a conference championship game, to NOT be an issue is a bit puzzling.
2. Yes, Harrison is a special case -- it was Harrison after all who caused the Ravens to come up with that unbalanced line in the first place. And yes, Harrison does get held more than any other player I've seen, including those on the Steelers. Here's a little piece for you by the way, taken off another site:
NFL Recognizes Holding of James Harrison as Official StatisticThe sack only became officially recognized in pro football in 1982, but the NFL announced today that holds on James Harrison is now also an official statistic. The decision was made following the regular season and, although it was only made public today, will be retroactive to the Divisional Playoff round.
The NFL’s Senior Vice President of Public Relations, Craig Aiello, broke the news in a press release this afternoon. The text of the release follows:
As the season wore on, it became clearer and clearer to offensive lineman and their coaches that the only way to stop Pittsburgh Steelers outside linebacker James Harrison was to blatantly hold him. Steelers fans have been clamoring for the league to take action, and we have done so.
Starting with the Divisional playoff round, we will now begin tracking the number of times James Harrison is held without a flag being thrown, and this will be recorded in the league’s official records. We’re making this move because it’s the right thing to do, and we know the fans will appreciate that we have recognized their concerns.
After the briefing, Ailleo confirmed that they will work in conjunction with the Alias Sports Statistics Bureau to iron out any grey areas that might exist over what constitutes a hold, and what does not. He quickly added, “Really, we don’t expect much work on that front because the holds on James Harrison are always quite obvious.”
Satirical perhaps, but then again, satire must have an underlying reality to exist. Dig?
4. Well then, grab your trusty game DVD -- pause at the point where they flash back to Holmes's catch. The ball, from side view, at one point is clearly in the MIDDLE of the white line, meaning it has satisfied one of the two requirements for constituting a touchdown (the other being the WR maintaining possession to completed catch.
I compliment your objectivity on the call that went against the Steelers though.
5. Can't argue the second-guy-always-gets-busted thing. Nice job finding a way to bring Ward into it though -- what was that about "oh... now the truth comes out?" or whatever?
I'm not arguing Stone cost you big. I'm just pointing out the Steelers had a personal foul that hurt them almost as much. If they hadn't won, it'd be Kemo who'd be in Stone's place.
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1. My claim is that it wasnt experience that separated Ben and Joe.
2. My claim is that if a crew isn't calling the holding all day, it shouldn't arbitrarily decide when to - both teams were guilty often.
3. The PI call you hate was a classic case of face guarding.
4. The Holmes call in week 15 followed neither the spirit nor the letter of the law. But another poster got it right - it is because of the first call that the second gets less attention.
5. The call on Kemoeatu was legit. Happens every game - last punch gets the flag.
1. Then what exactly DID separate Ben and Joe?
2. Finally, the holding on Harrison got so ridiculous even the most glaucomic ref was embarrassed into dropping the flag. Harrison has been a special case -- of all players on the field he's been held the most this year.
3. I'm talking about the first PI call, the second was faceguarding and I have no problem with it. Considering McFadden was BEHIND the WR when the flag was thrown, faceguarding's a pretty unlikely occurrence here. That was just an awful call.
4. Au contraire -- side-view replays clearly show the ball breaking the plane of the end zone (in fact CBS showed the replay during the Championship game in case you missed it), meaning that Holmes need only maintain possession -- in or out of the end zone -- for it to have been a legit TD. Again, one of those rules which seems wrong but that's the rule. Just like Steeler fans would have had to live with the call in the championship game should it have made the difference.
I personally felt it was wrong -- Holmes took a good 2 or 3 steps, football moves if you will, and seemed like a case of the ground causing a fumble. The official chose to interpret it otherwise. Oh well.
My point was, though, there are entire threads here devoted to teeth-gritting about the call and supposed "conspiracies" to help the Steelers in Week 15. I wonder if there would have been any should the situation have been reversed?
5. Yeah, last punch sure. But the same ref who saw what Kemo did somehow misses the faceful of mask? Hmmm.
The Ravens enjoyed the benefit of a personal foul call almost as harmful to the Steelers as the Stone call was. Just saying.
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And special mention to this bit:
Meanwhile, the Santonio Holmes touchdown review was technically correct - but might not have been in the spirit of the rule. That’s a replay world, though.Really? I suppose you were all so cool and detached about rule interpretation after the Holmes call at the end of the second game in Baltimore this season.
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Overall OK analysis. However a couple major flaws:
Myth: Flacco’s inexperience would be trounced by Roethlisberger’s veteran guile. Actuality: I would not say it was Flacco’s inexperience that cost him the game or many plays. The Ravens offense had plenty of issues as a unit and Flacco hardly deserves the blame. Flacco had this team in a position to win with just minutes left. Roethlisberger, for all his veteran guile, took some costly sacks. Just like Flacco. Neither quarterback won or lost the game for their team.I'd say the QB who put up an 84.8 rating, threw no interceptions and made the play of the game to turn a sack into a long TD had just a wee bit more of an impact over the QB who put up a 18.2 rating and tossed three picks, including the game sealer. Particularly on a day when QB number 1 enjoys no run support. Seriously, you're claiming the QB performances were a wash here? Wow. You're implying Flacco's inexperience didn't rear its ugly head finally? Double wow.
Don't forget, Ben had about 100 yards worth of dropped passes. If Sweed doesn't have butterfingers, Ben's passing ends this game at halftime.
P.S. Saying Flacco was responsible for having his team in a position to win at the end is like saying the weather is responsible for most divorces. Steeler receiver goofs in the first half, combined with the possum gameplan the Steelers came out with in the second had a lot more to do with the Ravens being in this one than Mr. Threepicks.
Speaking of officials: thank you for staying out of the way. With the exception of the above roughing call above, they did a fine job. The only other call that almost bothered me was the holding call on Jared Gaither, negating a nice gain. Was it holding? Sure. Had they been calling holding all game? No. Meanwhile, the Santonio Holmes touchdown review was technically correct - but might not have been in the spirit of the rule. That’s a replay world, though.You naturally mentioned the Berger dive earlier, yet ignored an equally egregious call -- the god-awful pass interference on the Steelers' McFadden that gave the Ravens their first TD. Only the most flag-happy dude drops that one.
And as for the obvious hold on Gaither, you're saying the officials should've held onto the flag because, after all, they'd been letting the Ravens' OL get away with it all game? Wow.
The officials did their part -- including the ridiculous personal foul on the Steelers' Kemoeatu for pushing away a guy who had a handful of his facemask. That one was about as damaging to the Steelers as the Ravens' guy who got called late you're all cursing out now. If not for the call, that shank punt doesn't sting half as much.
anybody catch Woodson say he's a Steeler first and forever, during the Pro Bowl?
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Apparently we know now which team Rod Woodson will be representing when he goes into the Hall of Fame. Once a Steeler, always a Steeler.