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The team is doing an outlet to get rid of last yrs stuff. It is down at the stadium. 8-4 pm lot D.

Well really it was what last yr that they kept him longer. They would have been better trading him earlier.

The Rays had to give him a bunch. People including me were surprised when they brought him back.

You would be looking for different kinds of parts. Also Miggy was not that wanted at that point. His star had dimmed here. Davis was going red hot at the time. They screwed up by not trading Price earlier. They went all in and gave him the contract. They should have traded him a coupel of yrs ago when he had a yr left. Price was pitching better then and the haul would have been better.

But it was Andy fixing the whole system. Of course you aren't winning with that. The farm system is pretty well stocked and it isn't like Andy looking for warm bodies. Why is it that the Rays can make these trades and get large returns?

But he was useful while he was around. The are going to lose him anyway so go for the trade. I looked. He hit I think 272 one yr. I also remember 250 something in there. His last yr here was bad. But not as bad as Davis has been at the plate the last yr and change.

I always thought Andy was doing a great job. He was starting so far in the hole he couldn't fix it all while he was here. You have to remember at the time peopel were pissed about the Bedard trade. They wanted to keep their fan fav. The Hardy trade was trading two losers for an all star. Again sometimes those players that aren't good that you get in a trade can in turn be turned into something else. In the Miggy and Davis trade concept I say trade Davis so you don't have to pay him big money. Also you would turn him into parts that are also cheap but help in more positions. Are you saying Luke Scott was not a real help while he was here? Hitting for a good average and a good amount of power and cost the O's nothing. I think you get at least something between them.

http://www.csnbaltimore.com/blog/orioles-talk/ten-moves-andy-macphail-reshaped-orioles Andy made 4 great trades to set this team up for winning. The same practice should have continued.

NO. 4: ORIOLES AND YANKEES MAKE 17-PLAYER TRADE (NOV. 17, 1954) After the Orioles completed their first season in Baltimore, they pulled off a gigantic mega-trade, giving up seven players and acquiring 10, which remains the biggest trade in MLB history in terms of the number of players involved. The players acquired as part of the initial swap included Gus Triandos and Gene Woodling, both members of the Orioles Hall of Fame, and the effects of the trade remained in the organization for more than 30 years. Willy Miranda, also acquired as part of the swap, was later dealt for Jim Gentile, another member of the Orioles Hall of Fame. There's more. Gentile was re-traded for Norm Siebern, who was swapped for Dick Simpson, who was one of the three players sent to Cincinnati as part of the Frank Robinson deal (which we'll be seeing later on this list). Then Robinson begat Doyle Alexander (among others), who became part of another huge trade with the Yankees, a 10-player swap in 1976, which brought in three more O's Hall of Famers -- Rick Dempsey, Tippy Martinez and Scott McGregor. Long story short, players continued to be acquired and re-traded until the thread ran out in 1987. The Birds got some incredible mileage -- and a laundry list of franchise stars -- from that original mega-trade. NO. 1: ORIOLES ACQUIRE FRANK ROBINSON FROM THE REDS (DEC. 9, 1965) This was an easy pick for No. 1 on the list. It's pretty safe to say that no single transaction has impacted the Orioles more dramatically than the Frank Robinson trade, a move that vaulted the O's to their first World Series win and established them as one of the premier franchises in baseball. The Orioles of the early 1960s were a team on the brink of contention -- posting five winning seasons during the first six years of the decade -- but were missing that one extra ingredient to push them over the hump. And that's when Robinson arrived. Robinson was an instant game changer for the Orioles, winning the Triple Crown and AL MVP award during his debut year, when he had 49 home runs and a 1.047 OPS, helping lift the Birds to their first-ever AL pennant and a World Series sweep of the Dodgers. Robinson's Orioles playing career lasted six years, which was more than enough time for him to become a Baltimore sports legend. Robinson brought a winning attitude and an elite bat to the Orioles, establishing himself as a fiery leader both on and off the field as well as one of the most productive players in franchise history. That's not bad for a player the Reds called an old 30. With Robinson at the forefront, the O's took a stranglehold on the AL, winning 100 or more games three times and making four World Series appearances. The problem is the O's have made many great trades. Andy made a ton white he was here. That same game plan should have been continuously used.

Who would have thought all of the return for Bedard?

Or you could get a 1st baseman that hits 25 bombs and bats 280 that has no time towards FA. Plus add in a SS prospect to replace Hardy when the time comes. Finally add a solid middle relief. To me that would more than make up for what Davis produces. You may not be getting 30 bombs but you are close. The relief can take some bombs away from other teams and when Hardy is done which I believe to be sooner rather than later it is done with little in the way of hiccups. Oh and BTW that SS prospect could have been playing this yr and Hardy could have been allowed to walk.

Davis hasn't come close to .270 since 2013. His strikeouts are way to high and really do hinder the team. But you make my point. I said he would never repeat his 2013 season. Many thought he had arrived. That means he has the highest value he will ever have. That is when you trade him. With Joe you trade him. There were plenty of teams that would have grabbed him.

I look at the Bedard trade. That just kept paying dividends. We should have some the same to Weit and Davis so they could payoff longer.

I said Davis had an outlier in 2013. If you think that was the norm how do you explain the last 2 seasons? Also Weit got hurt and it looks like he will not have time to get hot before the trade deadline.

It doesn't make it any less true.

They should have traded Weit and Davis after 2013. They could have had a lot if young talent actually here and helping.

That was after Brown went to StL. Grubbs was done in 2012.

Were you one of the ones who said they would and needed to bring Grubbs back?

So no PB linemen have knee injury from time to time. Yanda has never been injured and out of the lineup. Did KO's back flare up again last yr?

Wasn't that a knee?

KO played well last yr. He is over a yr out from the knife. I have to go with youth.

The big thing to learn is no big contracts for RB's anymore. The position is to easy to find for dirt cheap.

He had surgery. Do you expect him to not be good anymore?

I would look to trade him. He has high value and statistically speaking he is due to start to fall off. KO is you and they will only keep one of them so sign KO long term trade Yanda.

Why is that?