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Look at Zona. they went 3 deep and still won games. The long time backup is that pathetic he couldn't manage a team that was pretty well set up? Come on.

He is such a stud. In 2 yrs I think he will be in the PB.

I didn't know he played center before. If he can play I guess this might be Gradkowski's last yr.

So you think the Panthers have a real shot. OK. I will give you odds on them winning the SB. So when Peyton went down and they weren't sure he could play you don't think they didn't put their players in a position not to succeed that season. They were awful that yr.

It is risk but playing safe doesn't get you to be at that killer level.

Manziel was only loooked at as a really high pick for a short time. A really high pick was never going to be needed. I think the Ravens could have been in the elite burying other teams for yrs had they bit the bullet. Keeping Rice was dumb. Now people are really coming around to where I have seen them for many yrs now. Now people are seeing how Suggs is not the guy he once was. There have been many of these guys I have brought up for awhile now.

No you don't. You trade guys who have value as they are ready to get their big paydays and build picks up.

Why would you need to throw a season for him? I knew he would not be #1. I also still think he can be great but he has to dedicate himself to the game.

How about when he is thorwing with bad mechanics and his accuracy suffers for it. Or the times when he makes weird and strange decisions. Or the Ravens could do when they see a shiny apple on the horizon what Indy did and eat the season. Do the full rebuild and accumulate every pick they can get.

Nobody else brought up his stats either.

I didn't bring up his stats until I was being told he was winning the games. Seems you are mistaken on that.

Then some people should stop pointing out that all Joe does is win. There are some QB's who can carry a team. Just like there are some RB's who can ie Peterson a couple of yrs ago. Megatron has carried Detroit. Thye are special players who deserve the lions share of the cap. If you have to do it via a system and nobody is carrying the team then everyone should make commensurate money. If you don't think Joe and Luck should be compared then you should talk to Crav about that. He brought Andrew into the conversation.

Joe plays his part. I saw Joe lose games by doing dumb crap in the PO's. 1/18/09 Joe Flacco BAL 13 30 141 0 3 1/16/10 Joe Flacco BAL 20 35 189 0 2 1/15/11 Joe Flacco BAL 16 30 125 1 1 There are 3 games where Joe pretty much lost the game. He played piss poorly in these 3 games. Since he wins these game alone I guess he lost these games alone too.

The blown out knee at his age has slowed him.

That is my very point. Joe is a system guy and Luck can carry a team. That chart infers that Joe has carried the team in the PO's.

http://www.bostonglobe.com/sports/2015/01/04/shaughnessy/4qoFbd6WOUnvkdC2xx2WIM/story.html

But Joe had a more complete team than Luck has had. Luck is already carrying the colts. So Joe wins these games all by himself.

True. There are some that have reputations that are not worth it. My eval on Peyton being one of them.

No way with Stafford. He is about megatron and without him healthy he is only OK. Newton in time might be worth more. I really like Bridgwater.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2015/01/05/ravens-expect-eugene-monroe-timmy-jernigan-to-practice-on-tuesday/

That is not the qualifier he used. If it was as career sure you throw in Ben, Brady, or Brees. Manning I would not want because championships are the ultimate goal. Joe is sort of the anti Manning. Does eh in the regular season a lot and kills it in the post.

I would add in Wilson but I agree with that qualification you had.

http://www.baltimoreravens.com/videos/videos/Ravens-Christmas-Album-Drops-Today/0b91f930-cfb7-47b4-91bc-ab3f44740a83 Listen to Brandon here. Suggs made my ears bleed.

Thank you for an honest assessment.

You do realize there is more than scores and INT's? How about all his 3 and outs. Actually they are not all his fault but a total offensive meltdown usually in the 1st half but he is part of that. He has some bad accuracy issues many times. If he would lead his WR's they could get to the markers but they have to play gymnast to get theri hands to the ball eliminating their momentum.