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Great answering drive.... the o line looks awful
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16 minutes ago, tsylvester said:
So it's okay for you to say how a player should play, but not for anyone else? Gotcha pal.
Oh I never said nor implied that. I don't expect that and its even hard for me remember a time or imagine a time without you complaining.
Enjoy the games today! Hopefully every play call is exactly what you would call and every pass is exactly where you think it should be thrown.
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8 minutes ago, vmax said:
Those who still believe Trump, like walking behind the farting camel.
I'm amazed at how stupid people are. I just had two Facebook friends post how if it was fair Trump wins in a landslide. Happily they are just people I used to know.
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46 minutes ago, tsylvester said:
So size matters? Now you tell me.....
Boykin is 6'6"", he gets single coverage on 9 , 7, crossing routes, yet Lamar rarely throws to him... Hmmmm (sarcasm)
Yeah, it's easier to pass to larger receivers. Easier for them to bring the ball in against larger defenders.
Maybe if Boykin could run the correct route and/or consistently catch he might get the ball more.
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Our identity is defense first/patchwork offense and the face is Lamar.
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3 hours ago, oldno82 said:
I agree that if they can contain Chubs they might have a chance especially if Baker starts to self-destruct throwing the ball. I don't think those two things are probable though.
I find I have a lot emotionally invested in getting the Ravens a win. Man, I would love to see that happen and us win out. That would redeem an otherwise lost season.
Plus it would give us an extra week (or weeks) of happy distraction in what is probably going to be a rough winter.
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2 minutes ago, tsylvester said:
I say this with all due respect Spen, I am not attacking you, just differing on our opinions.
No, Lamar is not Brady, I was not mentioning Brady to compare him to Lamar. I do not expect Lamar to throw the way Brady does, my point was about the quality of receivers and the route combinations used. If NE had bottled up Brady by using only crossing routes, only plays designed to run between the numbers they would not have won so many championships nor would Brady be a top tier qb in NFL history.
So they question remains; why do the Ravens only use route combinations that go over the middle? There are no out routes, no comback routes which means there can be no double moves.
Year one, okay, good running game, solid defense, bring the rookie along slowly, limit turnovers. Year 2, start adding them in. Year 3, here we are, still none of those routes, yet we have the turnovers. Why?
Because as the Pit defenders said; they knew the route combinations so they jumped the routes= pick 6.
Defenses this year are keying on the middle of the field, playing zone to one side, man to the other. This requires timing routes, for the ball to be thrown one step back after the snap in shotgun. How many times has Lamar done that? How many times have we heard with fast guys; if he is even he is leaving? Brown is that type of fast. Why do you think Brown was so upset this year?! Man coverage, no safety help, Lamar will not throw him the ball down the sidelines.. That speaks volumes.
Time will tell, I honestly want and do expect Lamar to improve. The nock, and you can google it, on Lamar coming out of college was that he couldn't read defenses, couldn't throw with anticipation because of it. Those can be taught-learned, but he has yet to show he has learned it....
Why is Brown upset? Aren't receivers usually upset?
Brown is super fast. He is also 5'6" and covered by someone who is often 6" or more taller. And according to some announcers, since we all like to quote announcers who say things that support our thought, Brown's defenders are often running the routes better than he is. Im not sure I'd throw him the ball. Another columnist earlier in the year wondered how many of the WRs on the Ravens would even make the rosters of other teams.
Lamar obviously trusts Andrews and looks for him first. And he seemed to trust Hurst too and losing him probably hurt more than anyone would have thought.
Does Lamar need to improve? Of course, it would certainly help. Do I think the offensive woes are his fault? No way, he's the best player on offense. By far.
Anyone who has objectively watched Lamar his three years has seen improvement. From year one to year two it was huge. Accuracy too.
Anyone who has objectively watched Lamar his three years has seen he can read defenses. Is he perfect at it, or even great, maybe not - but he can. You can't have the year he did last year and not be able to. And you can watch and see he can. But then again I'm not bitching when he throws somewhere when I think he should throw somewhere else.
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2 hours ago, papasmurfbell said:
I see one person who catches feelings bc he cant look without getting emotional about it.
Remember last week when you stated accuracy never improves. And also said the main stat that shows accuracy is not a valid one. Good stuff.
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3 hours ago, tsylvester said:
Diggs is the best, Ravens have a better tight end, other than that I think it is pretty even. This may be an extreme example, but look what Brady did in NE with average at best receivers. This was largely because of his talent, but also becauee of how they used those receivers; route combinations, Brady's ability to make all of the throws.
Here, Lamar can't make all of the throws, he has the arm for sure, but his confidence or the time he has in the pocket keep him from even attempting some of those throws. Troy said it best the other night. Some patterns have to be thrown on time, before the receiver even makes his cut, his move. We rarely see Lamar make that type of throw..
Now, Allen was this way his first 2 years as well, and he made the move so far this year. Can Lamar?
He's not Tom Brady. Brady did have a pretty good WR tandem when he took over as the starter in NE. And while eventually Brady was great with very little.... well he's Tom Brady and having targets while young and learning certainly helped his development.
I agree about Andrews, he's great but I didn't ask about TEs because they don't run the type of patterns you complain about the Ravens not doing/being able to do as often.
Diggs is clearly the best, Beasley is probably better than any of our WRs. Maybe Davis too, but he's a rookie. Hell, even having the one legit #1 playmaker makes a huge difference. The talent around the two players is not similar.
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7 hours ago, papasmurfbell said:
Lamar can prove me wrong.
I know. He won't. Your motif has always been to keep predicting bad things then want praise and credit when they finally happen. Little lonely kid stuff.
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2 hours ago, tsylvester said:
That's just it Spen, I have not made my mind up on Lamar. You claim to be objective, acuse others of not being, claim to use facts but when we do, you laugh them off.
Pot meet kettle sir. I have no issue with a running qb, my issue is not only the types of throws he makes but with the play design as well; coaching. What we, the fans, cannot know is why this team, the play calling, play designs, are so limited.
Do you not think it odd that the only time we had a comback route, thrown on time, accurately, was when Trace was in? And no, he is not a better qb than Lamar, he too cannot make all of the throws but that is because he lacks the arm strength needed.
I don't believe you about the running QB. Not sure why you'd care, but I don't. I've seen too many comments.....
I see two people every week expecting a player to fail and needing proven wrong. That's not objective. I also see a person who often complains about a harmless incomplete passes after a win sometimes when the qb has completed 60% or more of his passes. That's not objective. Or when he completes a 10 yard pass and you would have preferred a 12 yard pass to a different spot on the field. That's my favorite.
How exciting!
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13 hours ago, tsylvester said:
The receivers all run crossing routes or go routes, or posts/flags... Did you notice the only comeback route run was when Trace was qb?
They can't run double moves because the line does not hold up long enough, AND, Lamar rarely throws a comeback route. So db's can sit on crossing routes, keep the safeties in the middle part of the field and single cover on the outside.
All of that limits the plays, the route combinations that can be run thus stunting Lamar's numbers and the momentum of the game; quick strikes.
Allen gets to throw those routes, which gives his receivers an advantage with the double move available. He is accurate enough so his numbers go up, especially with those routes he is able to move a safety playing on or outside the numbers, a step or two; big adavantage.
Until Lamar proves that he can throw outside the numbers consistently, he will limit this offense. Right now, Allen has made the biggest improvement and earned his money while Lamar has not to this point.
Baker is slowly coming around, but he has not been consistent enough to warrant the big pay day.
There is a reason no running first qb has ever won a super bowl, Kaep came close but he was helped by the NFL with that power outage.
Neat points. Allen looks like a great young qb, I think he'll be good for a long time. He may not run as well as Lamar, how exciting!, but he's good.
Quick question, if you had to compare the Bills and Raven's wide receivers how do you think they match up?
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Well... both of your minds are made up. One "knows" what Lamar can do from college the other one "knows" from college and the combine. One obviously dislikes running QBs......
Don't argue, these are just facts.....
I'd listen to objective fans/analysts more than those whose minds are made up. Hearing thoughts from someone watching objectively is often greatly different from people's whose minds are made up and waiting for someone to fail.
But hey, when bad things happen you guys can pat each other on the backs, commend each other, look around, then celebratory fellate each other.
Enjoy!
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5 hours ago, vmax said:
In every game Lamar is the best athlete and play maker of the field...except when they play KC. What he brings to this team, his energy and enthusiasm, focus and goals is solid gold.
You don't get rid of a player like that. Never.
Nope, you build around him. Enhance the talent. Arizona is doing it right with Murray - letting him learn the game and gain confidence while having two great targets.
Hopefully the Ravens can get another weapon or two on offense. Soon.
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I'm using Chrome. Everything looks fine on a pc but odd on my tablet. I think things are more jumbled on my phone. I'll check tomorrow.
If its a newer version of Android to take a screen shot put your right hand on the left side of the screen (like a handshake) and move your whole hand right.
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2 hours ago, deeshopper said:
lol. It was a massive waste of time.
You're famous!
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Nice game, hopefully they get some confidence and gain some momentum....
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In good shape now
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Fantastic drive...
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Now Ricard....
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I think the crowd is getting to their kicker
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Decent half - not great but decent, can they play a full game?
Lucky non call on Elliott.....
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12 minutes ago, vmax said:
The Northrop Realty commercial is real creepy. He's a creepy looking guy in the first place....The girl in it looks like she's 14- 15 and this guy gives her an engagement ring....maybe he had too?
Think if she says no - he pushes her off the cliff?
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Great 3rd down call/run by Edwards
Ravens/Brownies
in Baltimore Ravens
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Lol, good stop