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That is the thing; he has already and continues ot be getting counseling. It is not as if this is a new case, it is the same one, everything has already been, so why are the Ravens and league reacting like this now? Because of public pressure. They knew as soon as the tape came out there would be picket lines at every NFl stadium for the foreseable future. That is the only reason, and being the only reason, both moves are wrong. Though i do agree he should have been suspended for a year, I don't think the cutting of him nor of the indefinate suspension are in order since he already has met any and all counseling the league would mandate to get back into the league. This stinks, and I am not talking about what Ray did now, but rather what the Ravens & league are doing.

Did she lie? She may have "started" the arguement that lead to this entire thing. We see in the video before they get on that they are already having issues, for what ever reason. Then when they get on, she says something, we don't know what, she slaps at him but he slaps her first. Then she attempts to hit when he decks her, causing her o hit her hea on the rail. This entire thing is what they both could hae and likely did tell to the NFL and to the Ravens. Since Ray's defense team had the tape, there is no reason, after he took the plea and the case closed, for the team and the league, NOT to look at the tape before sentencing Ray to two games just to see that he was telling the truth and how bad it will look WHEN the tape COMES OUT! So either they did see it and tried to sweep it under the rug, or did not even attempt to see, taking him at his word. If the later and they are just reacting now based on the outcry, then the union has to step in and stop the year long suspension. There is no new evidence since they knew what was on the tape, and even under the new rules, this is his first offense and should only be out 6 games. The only area of new evidence I can see is if both Ray and Jenay lied, telling a completely different story than was on the tape, thus the tape now being new, correct evidence and his lie, combined with the tape, is what triggered the indefinate suspension. Since neither the league nor Ravens are talking, we may never know.

Too funny, ESPN has been railing on Rice, the Ravens all day. What commercial comes up during this game? His carr max commercial....

To be expected since they now don't have to worry about Rice's roster spot next week and need to carry four backs.

Mort has reported that the Prosecutor did have the tape, but refused to turn it over. That the defense team for Ray, also had the tape.... So how come neither the Ravens nor the league had it, sure, sure they didn't. this tinks to high heavens, that is why Biscutt is mad, he knows we aint dumb.

If we look closely at things, listen carefully, we can always find the truth hidden in the darkness. There is no way, as many on ESPN have said and I agree, that the NFL, with all its connections in law enforcement, nor the Ravens, with Biscutts connection as a BILLIONair...... did not see the video, none. Jameson Winsley reported, on ESPN this afternoon that he reached out to the organization early in the day, before they cut him, and ask if there were any plans to make a move on Rice since the video had come out. Their response was no, no changes...... Only after they gauged the respone not just by the public, but by many, many NFL players, current, who wanted Rice out of the league, did they make the move. This tells us plain & simple, they all, the NFL, Ray, his wife (perhaps coerced by the millions) and the Ravens tried to cover this up. If they did, (it will eventually come out) this tells us they all must be stupid to think the video would not come out. Maybe they thought it had been destroyed since that casino was closed down, who knows. Either way, just having Harbs hold a five minute or less press conference and say nothing, leaves me feeling a little sick about this team, this organization. Iv'e said it before, Goody is going to chase me away from the NFL, me, a 48 year old man who has watched, studied, loved the game all my life. What I have found over the years, is that my opinion is largely, not alone.

Good thing they freed up cap space just before this came out, eerrr, ummm, before the season started....................................

Their fall back & that of the Ravens is that they did not see the video and Ray & his wife lied to them all..... hmmm The union can't step in, can they, black eye for sure....

Now the league steps in, and makes a big mess, union wise, suspends him indefinately

I find it difficult to believe they did not see the video, so why cut him now? They had to know it was going to come out.... Knee jerk reactions..... right move, just a few months late.

If TMZ had it, you bet Goody had it, why he went so easy who knows, maybe because of the contrition of Ray and his now wife? Maybe he thought he could make this incident seem less harsh making the NFl look good? If that was the case, he is an idiot and the NFL is really going to look bad now. I too would like to know why it came out now, maybe some one was holding out for more money.

TMZ has the full video now, Rice should have been gone a year. The outcry now will be huge. http://www.tmz.com/2014/09/08/ray-rice-elevator-knockout-fiancee-takes-crushing-punch-video/

They only had 3 penalties, seven total between the two teams, but me thinks the NFl madated low flag numbers as there were a number of times a flag should have been throw, for both teams. Last year's team? No, but I am not sure if they a re slightly better or slightly worse.....

I' just be lazy and copy & paste from the game thread. FYI, Joe, on 62 passes, completed 56% of his passes with one pick. Brady, 51%, again, going back to last year with poor, inexperienced receives.... The Ravens net gain on punt returns 2 yards.... I can't get the play book, my adobe is messed up, so I can't see the stats for average field position per half..

Since you failed to state who you were responding to, you could have been talking to anyone. Who is Manny? 2) Brady, Tom, completed only 51% to Flacco's 56%, is Brady to blame for the Pats losing to the Phins?

excuse me? I admit when I am wrong, do you? IN all the years we have been posting on various boards together, I can honestly say I have never seen you admit when you are wrong.....

As I said, Joe did not play his bst game, but to place all the blame on him is not right. There were blunders from every aspect of the team, this was a perfect example of a team loss. From special teams blunders that include a recovered fumble, but cost the team field position, poor blocking on special teams that lead to no returns of worth, save for one long one. The offense, in the first half, routinely started inside their own 20, twice inside their own 10 I believe. We've talked about the receivers so we can leave that there, except of course for the Jones drop that would have changed the game entirely in the first half. Runningbacks, mostly Pierce, not running properly, there were holes and his fumble did not help at all..... The offensive line did a fine job today, better in the 2nd half than the first, but they too missed several blitzes/stunts that lead to issues and clogged lanes in the first half. A caveat for them, having 62 pass plays called did not make their job easy. Even Tucker missed a field goal, long yes, but well with in his range, espcially this time of year. Koch had a few punts not go very far, The defense, where shall we start? With I think a record for most missed tackles, how many 3rd down conversions did they allow? Screens did they fall for, that resulted in big gains? Very little pressure on Dalton, shall we talk about the secondary? Jimmy Smith played the best game of his career, it helped Dalton did not throw his way very much. The linebackers were making tackles 8 yards down field... Other than that, the defensive line did play well in spurts, Dino Nuggets really played well (Tyson).... Coaching, the play calling was terrible both on offense & defense. This game was "close" only because the Bengals played a form of prevent the entire second half, making the Ravens drive the field with short passes. Fortunate that there was a break down on the Flacco scramble, throw to Smith Sr. So as you can see, if you chose, yes, Joe could have played better, but when you have to continue to throw into tight windows, when receivers are not running proper routes, when they are dropping passes ( the average last year in the NFL per game was 1.97%.) it causes quarterbacks to press too hard, to not trust a receiver, to lose focuss. Joe has done quite a few 2:00 minute drills, and been very, very succesful, what happened at the half was an abirition, not the norm. I am sorry, anyone who thinks the loss is all on Joe Flacco is a bit mistaken.

He threw it away plenty, just because a quarterback doesn't throw the ball out of bounds does not mean he is simply off target on some throws. The biggest misconception many fans have about quarterbacks, not you and not just Joe. 35 of 62 with 8 drops and receivers falling down or not reading coverages correctly, leaves a quarterback in a pickle. 62 passes it is a wonder more of them were not picked off.... The fact that there was hardly any seperation at all, watch some other games see the seperation other receivers get, it might open some eyes as to the junk we have here in Baltimore. They don't sell routes properly, so defenders can read what they are going to run very easily. And No Papa, or any other, I am not making excuses or having a pity party for Joe, just speaking facts as they were/are here....

a fitting end

Thank you, like a clock, I am right once a day..... lol and he was just repeating what Joe told them in the pre game meetings

the screen ahsnt worked all game, why run it now?

hmmm, another drop by Jones

By the way, that is what T Smith should have been doing, food for thought.

Aiken is schooling Newman,,, gonn be a hitch & go soon, can you smell it?

there is my boy; proper read, great adjustment