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This team is seriously banged up and hurting. They are at the bend/break point IMO. Already a bunch of guys are on IR. Also Flacco's hurting. Now...depth has covered the absence of Clayton, Ngata, and Gaither but if Johnson can't go and Suggs has a gimpy knee...then it's Ray and some Special Teamers.

"Kepp pounding that drum crav. The more you say it, the more believable it gets."

Agreed... On defense they are improving. Over the last 7 games the D has given up the fewest points in the NFL so there is hidden improvement in Landry, Carr, Foxworth, Kruger...Edwards definately...Gregg. Hopefully this continues. Perhaps with a new DC and defensive roster turnover it took this long for the secdondary to develop within the game plan and get the allighnment, assignment and technique down. We'll see. LJ Smith...useless. Gooden...he gets lost and is late at the point of attack...has problems shedding blocks. Speeds great but if you hesitate or don't know where to go it's a waste. He's not an answer at LB. A lot of us want to see gerrard. He may develop well...like Webb. Can't say enough positive things about the Oher pick. With Terry out where would the Ravens O be without him and his versatility? He's on a learning curve as a rookie but he is the final piece to an offensive line that should be very good for years to come.

The fact that only 3 players have hit that stratosphere shows what an incredible season Ray is having. He should be in the Pro Bowl. The question is: Does he have enough national recognition amoung the fans since the Ravens are a 'small market team'?

Here's more from Preston on moving Oher to LT...

I think the Pats are going to lose a game...they are unraveling...but not bad enough to lose to the Bills.

What if the Pats lose a game and don't win their division? The Ravens would be out....right?

They started the season fast and well but it's not a sprint.

I stand reminded cleetz... 1. It was the Lions so Oher had no real competition. 2. Gaither has been playing hurt.

Banks gives his views on the Ravens chances and others... I don't think the Colts will rest too many players Thursday night...home field advantage is at stake. So the Jags will go down.

Could have fooled me! I thought it was beer...

OK...so it was just the Lions. The worst team in football. Good teams are supposed to dominate them and the Ravens crushed them More thoughts... Lost in this is the defense only giving up 3 points...they continue to get stingy when it comes to surrendering points. The pass rush was...not much. Cullpepper was running for his life at times, then there were times that he had plenty of time to throw. Only 1 sack and 2 QB hits...Still inconsistent and that won't do against the better O lines and QB's. Reed, Gaither and Clayton were absent and remember...a lot of Ravens played banged up so they are fortunate that they were not playing an Elite team. Only 5 penalties...that's improvement. The game started out like all the others...fumble, penalty..missed opportunity...stall... but this time they broke the weak 1st half starts in the second quarter. That's progress. It was a good confidence boost and get healthy game. Quietly Cundiff is comming through...the kick offs were short but the weather was bad. Oneil Cousins had a good game and he was terrible in the pre season. I don't know...Oher looks like a natural upgrade at LT to me...I say move him there permanent. He's better than Gaither and coupled with Grubbs they did some serious road grading. Gaither won't like it and I don't know if he can make the switch to RT. Maybe give him the whole off season and camp to do it. NOTE TO CAM CAMMERON: In any wet games just run Ray Rice! Teams cannot grab, hold onto or tackle him. Like trying to catch a fish with your hands. Game ball to all the Ravens fans who braved the weather. Damn...I loved watching the Ravens run!

Now... just maintain your discipline for the rest of the season.

But a franchise record of 548 yards and 48 points(ties franchise record) says something....right? Ray Rice would have had 300 yards rushing if they didn't pull him early...no doubt in my mind. Nevertheless I'm fine with sitting him. It was a smart move that let McGahee and McLain shake some rust off. Joe had an easy day and he needed it. The O line was on fire...execution was terrific and the intensity was great. I like Oher at LT. Hey even Demetrius Williams made some plays. Loved the Mason catch and TD run... Ellerbe, Barnes, McLain were bringing it. Gooden better watch out.

13 car, 166 yds, 1 td 12.8 average 4 receptions 53 yards 13.3 average

Swartz is from the pristine community of Arbutas just south of Catonsville... Did you just see McLain Bring the Pain!!!!! lol He's an animal.

"Bengals lost...Ravens might win the division too."

Hacksonville lost...

OK...Fins have the ball with a minute left and up by 4....

Zibby! 2 great plays back to back.

Ellerbe is showing up...Webb...Landry... The 'hurry up' O is what thery need from here on out...it gets the lines tempo up...better execution.

41-3! O line and running game show up today! No doubt in my mind Ray Fucking Rice would have run for 300 today if they left him in.

Morn'n Smokey and Everybody! I gave away my Lions ticket to my brother so he could take a friend...good game to miss diue to the cold rain...: I'll be off and on the thread today...down to 1 computer at the moment and the kids want to use it. They claim they have rights too...like other humans. Since they are teenagers I'd say that's pushing it as far as the being 'humans' thing.

OK...following my morning shower and shave, as part of my personal hygene and Sunday toilet, I applied Old Spice Gameday deoderant. Excellent marketing ploy by Old Spice for the weak in the head like me...had to buy it. While it makes you smell like a French whore, you do feel like you have done your duty as a football fan.

It seems the Patriots can't buy a break...