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Serious or silly?

Maybe 12-10 is what this team really needs. And then we really have our favorite roll.. The underdog and at home vs Indy and pistburgh.

Ahh agreed.

I disagree, seems there has been more love to this Ravens team, surely this offense is talented and has to do a lot with it. From Eisenberg, Ravens com: I believe a majority of NFL observers believe the Ravens are better than their record. They’re ranked No. 11, ahead of four teams with winning records, in this week’s Fox Sports power rankings. (The Jaguars, also at 4-4, are ranked No. 25.) And at No. 14 in the ESPN rankings, they’re the highest-ranked non-winning team. Well I hate this kind of game, when it is surely only a win/win game for the Browns, even how much we win, it will be the Browns who is bad, if we win by a TD or less, we are both bad and if we lose.. season over. This Browns team had a pretty good game against Bengals, they even had more yards, now it is their season, and if we are forgetting that it is the same scenario for us, we migth lose.

How about Hauschkas kickoffs? Not that I think they have been something special, however what do I know;).. an improvement compared to Stover, surely. And more important, the other teams has not really hurt us on kick return.

And i am sure there is a reason why they liked Hauschka more, not like there was much doubt.

Agreed. And if you look at Cincys Leon Hall he was so killed last season, by none other than Clayton. And Hall is still playing in this league. I am not a DB expert. As for our secondary, we seems to forget that experience is a big part of it, when ever you got the starters you keep them until they are done. I know its hard these days to find one who thinks Carr is any good, however their was a reason why we got him. I loved that move, and thought he was a good pick. Not sure how you can say he was a bad pick from Ozzie, at least no different that Leonhard last season. Both Carr and Foxworth has more responsibilities now and Carr playing nickel in the Ravens D is probably not that easy, and when it is not working around him, not easier.

No RFA for firstrounders i think? Grubbs is in his third years just like Gaither, so he has two years left, however tagging a guard is more friendly than other positions. Gaithers rookie contract is over when this season ends, he will be a RFA just like the rest of the 2007 class like Yanda, McClain, Troy and Barnes. Burgess has to be a UFA, rigth? Btw you are rigth about Stover his first 3 seasons he had basically same stats as hauschka, and 8 out 11..we knew that it would be like that.

Grubbs over Gaither, at this point? I think Grubbs is not a concern until 12-13, and Gaither will be RFA now, I think Gaither should be our first target. As for Nakamura and Zibi I agree we have to find out.

This is not a playoff team, 8-8.

Agreed. And with those poor DBs, he did decent. Cam in two games against a not very good bengals defense, he did actually worse than Billick. Our offense.. We have been drafting offense in 1-3 rd like crazy, since 2002 and still we are going to see this kind of performence. As for penalties, we always talk about all the penalties on defense, actually they have less penalties than most. And our offense is the unit who is leading in penalties.

So our OL is pathetic, and/or Bungles Defense is elite? I am not buying it.

I am not going to defend Foxworth, who is obviously not ready or carrless. What I am saying is our offense did not change a damn thing against one of the worst pass defenses in the league, why are we giving up the runninggame? Where is McGahee? Where is two TEs, Where is D-Wil? We lost TOP 20-40, and except for the first Q, its very hard to blame the defense for that stat. What happend in the first bungles game, same thing and we did not even try to run, we did never try to change the games pattern on O why? As much as I love Rice, he has basically not won a single football game yet. Last game he had his first score in a win, when we already had the game in control. And it is a pain to see the bungles having the best runninggame in AFC North, if we had insisted on the runninggame in both games, benson would never ever had time to get 2 games with + 100 yds.

17 points is not failed, 7 is. And more I think Cam and our offense did lose this one so much more than any mattison, who at least did try to things and gave our offense lot of opportunities.

Good game for you and unlike the first game, no one to blame but us. And Colin not even the refs.

And the Ravens offense looks like the Ravens offense.

TOP 18-38, more to blame than Hauschka.

reed baby.

Seriously Cam is worse than Mattison today. Wonder what Mcgahee is thinking..

Marwin is simply outplaying the sophomore coach.

Nice punt.

Special Team is the only unit today. I am beginning to think our offense is worse than our defense.

Our offense helped to do thing worse in that match. And it was a Brian Billick game, is brian our new OC?

Harbs worst game, well worst game on defense since forever.

Okay I have had it, with all those penalties.