Ravens targeting Alexander, CB,H in 2d round?

[TBird]

They might be if they draft Bosa in the 1st round and if he's there in the 2d.

He's a pretty good corner and is rising up the boards and is the darling of the media

for interviews. See CSN link.

 

It would be interesting listening to his trash talk on game day along with SR and Jimmy Smith.

 

 

But can he shut down AJ Green.

 

http://www.csnmidatlantic.com/blog/ravens-talk/trash-talking-cb-alexander-could-be-ravens-targetD

[TBird]

LOL, he's got a mouth and says he's the best cover guy in the draft class-lol.

 

Talk about trash, he trashes two guys who could go in first round and one who is a top 5

pick - Treadwell. He said Treadwell is too slow according to his new time but he

did praise his physicality.

 

Fuller is another top receiver who go could in lower first round and said I wouldn't say he

sucks but he's not that good. Man, I'd like to be there when he meets SR in his first

practice.

 

 

Let's just see if Alexander even makes the field nursing his pussy injury.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/recent/cfb/132598/mackensie-alexander

[tsylvester]

He is a play maker ready to pop open when he hits the pros. However, he relied a lot on his athleticism in college to get back into position. Also, he did not face the best offenses and had a great team of defenders to help pressure quarterbacks, make them more predictable.

 

As much as a great pick he COULD be, he is one of them that could be the biggest bust in the draft. For that matter, same for Bosa, I am not very high on him as most are, I hope the Ravens don't take him at 6.....

[thundercleetz]

Bosa ran a 4.84 and Spence ran a 4.8. Disappointing for the two best edge rushers in the draft. Maybe Bosa falls to us like Suggs did because of a poor 40.

 

@AdamSchefter: Combine Compare

Watt 11 Bosa 16

Height 65 65

40-yd 4.84 4.86

20-yd 4.21 4.21

3-cone 6.88 6.89

 

Big difference: Watt weighed 290 pounds at the combine and Bosa is only 268 pounds.

[TBird]

Great posts guys. Thanks.

 

Hey T - I posted a link that said teams are hedging on Bosa in top 10, and he already dropped on most

mocks from #1 to #6 player chosen.

 

One team that drafts well said they have him in the 2d round on their board.

 

Looks like you're right again.

 

I also don't like his mouth. He said he's the best pass rusher in the draft. Yea, we'll

see.

[varaven45]

Maybe these guys are "sandbagging" it. If memory serves, Suggs sandbagged it pretty good.

And that worked out well eh ?

[TBird]

Maybe true but These guys are all great trash talkers including Suggs-lol.

 

 

IM A FOOTBALL STAR, NOT A TRACK STAR. T. SUGGS

 

He fell in draft because of poor 40 time. In fact, when Phil Savage saw it, he phones Ozzie

and said Suggs just fell to us.

 

These great scouts and GMs don't know that it's not the speed that counts in Suggs case.

It's his first step quickness. He's past his blocker in just 1 step. All the top rushers have

it. You can't teach it.

[thundercleetz]

@dpbrugler: Official Combine numbers for DB Jalen Ramsey. Killed it (as expected).

4.42 40-yard dash

41.5" Vertical

11'3" Broad jump

 

Going to be very surprised if Ramsey falls to six.

[varaven45]

Too bad Ramsey's not a sandbagger like Suggs. Cant get em all

[TBird]

LOL - Good one.

 

JAGs are going to draft Ramsey. At this point I'd take Buckner over Bosa

but Mel has him going to above us. Myles Jack might be better than Bosa.

 

He's projected to go in the high first. Kiper has him going over us to SD.

 

Buckner's 40 time at the combines was 5.05 but it's not so much speed

that counts in pass rushers line it is with RBs and WRs.

 

Quickness is The key to Suggs success is his first step like explained above. That's not

speed but quickness so Buckner probably has that first step to be considered

that high, especially with 5.05 speed.

[thundercleetz]

LOL - Good one.

 

JAGs are going to draft Ramsey. At this point I'd take Buckner over Bosa

but Mel has him going to above us. Myles Jack might be better than Bosa.

Good points. It's tough with Buckner, Miles, Bosa and Spence. None of them are elite prospects, but if I had to guess one or two of them will become a star and two of them could bust.

[TBird]

Now it looks like Bosa is back to the first player picked according to Gil Brandt.

 

Bosa had a good 4.7 and 4.8 times.

 

http://www.cleveland.com/osu/index.ssf/2016/02/nfl_combine_2016_did_joey_bosa.html

[tsylvester]

For the ends, the 40 time means nothing. As TC posted the cone times, those are the keys, how quickly can they get off the ball, and get around the end. Short shuttles & cone drills are the best determining factors/drills for certain positions, for measuring explosiveness.

 

Watts weight at the combine helped him greatly. He was able to add strength, get used to playing at that weight so his legs got stronger while he dropped to his natural weight.

 

Bosa, 60's for weight is fine if he has the strength, frankly, he beat some bad right tackles to pile up his numbers. This past year teams chipped him and his numbers went down dramatically; not good.

[thundercleetz]

TS, how would you feel about Bosa being an OLB in our defense? Is whether he can make the transition a concern?

[52isUnstoppable]

I like the versatility of Buckner. He can play all over the D-line and hes very long. Huge hands and long arms he can bat down a lot of passes.

[thundercleetz]

I like the versatility of Buckner. He can play all over the D-line and hes very long. Huge hands and long arms he can bat down a lot of passes.

I like Buckner a lot too. I'm scared we'll pass on him because of our "depth" and Buckner will become a star. If there is ever a case of Best Player Available vs Need, we might see it this year if Buckner is on the board at our pick.

 

Good read on Buckner's potential as a 4-3 DE:

 

http://www.bigblueview.com/2016/2/3/10900260/2016-nfl-draft-deforest-buckner-de-oregon-ny-giants-scheme-fit-analysis

 

If he has this type of versatility he could be used all along the line for us. In our 3-4 sometimes that strong-side OLB is essentially a down lineman. There wouldn't be any problem finding PT for Buckner even with our depth.

[TBird]

Don't worry on missing Buckner. SD will probably draft him. Bosa will now go

#1 after his 40 times and Ramsey to the Jags @ #5. That still leaves us with

Myles Jack, Hargreaves and Stanley if KO leaves.

[oldno82]

If KO leaves and I sure hope he doesn't, I still don't think will draft Stanley. Jack and Hargreaves should fill both BPA and need nicely. Maybe we can move Wagner to LT if he can play there and draft another OT in a later round.

[TBird]

Jack is certainly the BPA over Hardgreaves. Some scouts say he's the best player in the

draft. See Jack thread.

 

But Stanley would be the BPA over all of them except Jack and I've seen him going as high as the 3rd round

with Tunsil being a possible #1 pick.

 

Like with JO and Jim Parker of the Colts, we could plug Tunsil or Stanley on the left side and forget about it for the next decade.

[tsylvester]

TS, how would you feel about Bosa being an OLB in our defense? Is whether he can make the transition a concern?

 

 

I don't think he is athletic enough to make the switch. Even in the Ravens current defense, he would be asked to peel off and cover the flat at times to disguise a blitz, and I doubt he can do that effectively. to me, he is a one position player. I know, I know, he played inside at times with OSU, but NFL guards are not college scrubs, I don't think he will fair well in the NFL inside either.

 

to me, he appears to be a rush end only, the big question I have is if he can hold up the end on running plays...

[tsylvester]

I like the versatility of Buckner. He can play all over the D-line and hes very long. Huge hands and long arms he can bat down a lot of passes.

 

 

Yes, he has a higher ceiling than Bosa, he would take a bit to mature, but he looks to be a star with the right coaching and the Ravens, along the defensive line and backers, have said coaching.

[TBird]

They do?

 

I thought everyone wanted to off Pees and his entire staff. LOL

 

It would be great if SD and JAGs left Buckner on he board for us.

[thundercleetz]

They do?

 

I thought everyone wanted to off Pees and his entire staff. LOL

 

It would be great if SD and JAGs left Buckner on he board for us.

Clarence Brooks has been the Ravens defensive line coach since 2005 (he's now a special defensive assistant due to his health problems). Many of us wish Brooks was the DC over Pees. Joe Cullen is the full time defensive line coach now. He has an extensive résumé as a defensive line coach as well. Yes, the coaching is there to develop defensive linemen.

[TBird]

Well, by your own posts, too numerous to mention, they aren't developing CJ Mosley our #1

pick. He had great rookie year but dropped off this year. That's going backward, not

developing. Jernigan also went backward and Stewart hasn't done anything yet. Still waiting

to hear from him.

 

They sure the hell haven't developed Elam either, another #1 pick whom many are already

calling a bust and they cut that DB from TExas, I forget his name and Canty went

backward when he got here. They didn't do anything for him.

 

They finally figured out what to do with Kruger the Beast after 4 years of doing nothing

but that was PAGs who figured out he's just a 2 down player and he's still playing that

way in Cleveland.

 

Most of the entire city wants Pees out of Dodge.

 

Pees D blew that 3 TD lead in SB 47 and would have been crucified and never let back in

the city if he had. HARBs saved him from himself at the end when he kept ordering Pees to

blitz, blitz and blitz at the end to apply the pressure. Let them beat the blitz. He knew KAP

got rattled by it and did on the last play with Jimmy Smith taking Crabtree out and KAP

overthrew Crabtree.

 

HARBs said he remember the losses that year to Skins and GB when they won it at the end

and DC took it to OT for the win as they kept coming back. And Ellerbe blitzing forced

KAP to throw the ball out of bounds when Ellerbe blitzed him.

[thundercleetz]

Elam was just a bad pick nothing to do with development. I am hopeful on Mosley but he has limitations that coaching can only help so much. Teams exposed Mosley more in coverage his second year. Remember, Zach Martin was the guy the Ravens wanted but the Cowboys took him.