tsylvester

Nice Papa, hadn't thought of him but now that you mention him, he would be a great choice.

Oh, & I love T Sizzle as a player, just to make that clear, but his days are over.

Let today happen, see where we stand tomorrow. Maybe we are a step closer but we can't be a step further away. 12 and freaking two... Play off bound, Central Champs, top seed as of today, maybe tomorrow we lock up the top seed because of what happens today? But they can't lose out on the top seed, nor on a playoff birth nor on the AFC Champs by what happens today...enjoy the rest for tomorrow we begin!

While the Ravens are haing issues on setting the edge and while Suggs is a great locker room guys/ leader, he would play, what 10 snaps a game? He might help in theory.... With all of the hard work this team has put in this year, guys working hare, getting few stats but still making a difference and younger... Will there really be a difference made by Suggs that helps the team when one of those younger guys making a small difference is cut in favor of an old, fan fav player who can't make any more than a small difference?

The snapper is supposed to be protected from being lined up over him.. So maybe there should have been a penalty called on the Jets. Even so, long snapping and having to come up quickly to block is very difficult. Morgan has done a great job over the years, the Ravens have been good at drafting long snappers with quick, firey, accurate snaps. In the end, eh for now.

I'll add, while "retard" is in many people's cultural vocabulary, using it as an insult should be worked out of their vocabulary just like many other words. To wit, this speaks even louder on just say no;

Tucker has been so automatic, deep kick offs as well. Could be just a tired leg. I would like to know if he is told to kick the ball short and allow a return or if he is just missing it; it doesn't take much to miss hit a kick and not have it gp further. Normally he kicks it out of the endzone, in the playoffs, I expect we see that more unless he has a leg issue. Limit the kickoffs return yards.. The punt block could be as simple as a missed block a Thursday missed assignment, more than a real issue. Is the long snapper tired? His snap going back slower; another Thursday night tired situation?

Just no, they don't need his attitude in this secondary, nor do they need his inflated talent. He gets burnt more often than Carr, the Ravens have a nice mesh right now, just say No...

Sauron thought he finnally found a way, to make our brave warriors lose their way. He sent his henchmen in to invade the land, that belonged to the great, Ravens clan. A battle so quickly right after another, Sauron thought he could get them running back to their mother. But our wonded and weiry warriors of Baltimore, beat and battered his army until they begged for no more. So now our clan gets a nice little break, to get rested and ready to continue their campaign. They have shown that they can win any fight, gritty and dirty or flying sky high. The campaign will continue, the battles will ensue, but for now our brave warriors are 12-2. When will they lose, how many will they win? We must keep on reading for when the next battle begins.

He locked up the MVP last night me thinks, still 2 games to gp for him, 3 for the other contenders....

I think we have to give the special teams and even the defense a mulligan to some degree, a Thursday night game, short rest always wears on teams. So the next 10 days should give them a much needed rest. Still, the defense is giving up big yards on the run off of the edges of the offense. Good teams will take full notice and advantage of that in the playoffs if Wink doesn't fix this issue. There were still some coverage issues, better receivers would have torn this secondary up, but again, short week, big lead, bad team; players relax a bit, tire out sooner, mentally tire out as well. All those yards in the first half and the defense only gave up 7; tipped field goal, good redzone stand, nice work.

It is a joy to watch.

10 in a row, wow. AFC north champs, awesome! It was great to see Roberts and Boykin get touchdowns, they work so hard. Roberts especially, he has taken a beating this year with some tough catches and getting hit hard. That td pass to him was a great catch and may be Lamar's best pass to date, a thing of beauty.

Beating them the last game of the year if they are still tied to the wildcard teams...

Ok Spen, so the next time you are anything but over joyed by the way a player makes a mistake, it must me you want that player to fail because you don't like that player. Sound fair? Didn't think so. I have never said I hope nor implied that Lamar nor any other player fail nor disliked them before they had time to show if they could play in this league. Have I said I think a player will be a bust? Yep, just like every other person who has ever talked about players in the history of fandom. Not once, however, have I said Lamar would not be a good quarterback. Just because I discuss what he needs to work on or ask a question as to wonder why he doesn't see the one on one coverage on the outside and chose to throw there, does not mean nor should anyone infer my dislike for him. That is on you or anyone else, your mistake. Did I rant about him having issues throwing in the rain or wind? In fact, I went so far to say that the win should not bother him because of his ball flight and strong arm. Thanks, have a good night.

Max, not just back to back AFCN champs, but also maybe back to back years of knocking the Steelers out of the playoffs....

Not just the qb either though. Take the pass rushers & their price.... Ouch is it getting teams in cap trouble. We might start to see, if the Ravens win the Super Bowl, or say Tennessee does, that rent a qb like rent a runningback has become. Lamar might stay healthy, if he does and progresses as we expect & hope, what will be his number in 3-4 years? $200 mil guarenteed? Left tackles are also up high, shutown corners, .... It used to be get a qb, a left tackle and an edge rusher and fill the rest in. Not any more with these prices. They have to go to some type of exclusion, the cap just isn't rising fast enough.

Wow, really? I did not excuse the opponents poor play with westher. Thr good thing about message boards is we can go back and see not only exactly waht I said, but the context in which I said-said words. I simply asked a question about the Ravens offensive line and how well they were keeping Lamar clean and wondered if the wet field played a role in helping keep the best pass rush in the league at bey. I aslo later praised and continue, key, to praise this line, iI have even said, we can quote that as well, that this is the best line, pass blocking, that this franchise has ever had... As for not giving Lamar room for error on throws in the rain, we should check the game feed again. As for receivers dropping passes, please, we can go to stat sheets for my proof rather than your opnion of what is a drop and what is not. An example from one your and mine discussions in a game thread; Andrews, leaping as high as he can, turning all the way around, falling backward between TWO defenders and having one of the defenders come down with the ball. That is not a drop, not pick put on Andrews, that is another example of a pass that should not have been thrown and is on the qb, Lamar. Yet you disagree and think it should have been caught. Lamar is a great player right now, no debate, but if he has to throw more than 30 times to win a game we do not know if he can do that; proof that the coaches don't think so either is the system they built for him and that they run. I am.critical in games too, not of Lamar, of the entire team and they are 11-2 ! It's called love of the team, of the game. Of seeing that improvements need to be made, for lomg term success, just as Max said to start the thread. It's not hate, you want hate for a player, their play, go back and look how I talked about CJ Mosely, or most any Bama/Ozzy pick most recently the former punt returner... Or my current fav to hate on Hill who falls over when the wind blows 1 mph.....

Hold the phone Pinocchio. I was critical as you use the term of Flacco. My "excuse" as you call it was actually, accurately that the line was terrible in pass blocking. Flacco had less time in the pocket than Lamar has now. Joe is a pocket passer, the team knew it, everyone even you knew it. Yet year after year the team missed on draft picks of the offensive line. Now we get to the wideouts; the team has missed on them in the draft every year since they came here. So what is a pocket passer going to do with no line and no wide outs? Stink. My "criticism" of Lamar in this thread is to address what this offense needs to do; MOVING FORWARD. His style of offense will not last; injuries will catch up to him, defenses are already starting to figure this offense out. Thus my statement of; deep passing game needs to happen in order to open up the 8, 9 in a box, zone under man over coverages the defenses are doing now. I simply asked a question; is Lamar seeing the reads or just looking for an open man. Again, without the all 22 film we may not know. But, I have seen on regular replay, on several plays each game, as I said on the spot in the game threads, that based on the coverage and the position of the dbs on the outside, when Lamar threw into double, sometimes even tripple coverage, even when he completed those passes, that there was one on one coverage with position, for a better option elsewhere. You can see further proof when teams play zone, Lamar holds the ball too long and receivers run into the same area on straight crossing routes. Why? Because their routes run that course and the ball should have been thrown sooner. Is it a big deal? NO, as I said, he is young and can learn. But don't come at me with your hater speech because Lamar could NOT read defensive coverages in college; FACT. As I said, some people, you included, think that discussing a player's faults means we hate the player. This is not thie board that has that issue. Here, we discuss all aspects of a player, good & bad.

Up from $196.8 m according to Shefty... Now about that one exclusion player's salary, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller

Wounded and weary, our warriors are forced into battle quickly. Sauron has gathered his forces at the boarder, waiting to pounce on our brave clan. What Sauron doesn't know is that our clan still craves, still thirsts for battle and will defend their territory to the last man, with the next man up. Surely our clan has plenty of fight left in them, but just how much strength do they possess? Only time can heal all wounds, time is something on short supply for this battle. But our warriors are courageous, stubborn and tested. They have the war on their hearts, and this is just another battle. We must keep reading to see how this story will end for no matter the outcome of this battle, the war will continue.

Good news, sit him anyway, no sense taking the chance on such a stupid short week. One day the league will wake up and end these Thursday night games except when coming off a bye week... The Borg would repair him before returning a drone to battle...

A lot will depend on what happens with Smith and Peters, do they keep one, both or none? They clearly need middle backers first off. Then edge rushers, then a reliable wide out with speed, quickness and hands. I guess they will ignore that position since they have two rookies starting this year; both have been disappointing for one reason or another. It's a good draft for every position of need, good thing they are drafting low, none of those positions are worth a high pick save wide out and they wouldn't do that again.

Charlie horses can hurt for a while, maybe we see RG starting this game......

Spen, he sees the field but does he read the coverages? We cannot know the answer for certain so this is a simple discussion, not for arguement sake. However, evidence such as when he throws into tripple coverage, one play as an example; the deep flag route Andrews ran, where he got hurt, never should have been throw even if Andrews makes a miraculous catch. Why? Because since they were in 8 man box, zone under, man outside, that means there were two other receivers in man coverage with no safety help. So someone else was a better option. That is just one play but he does this every game. Last game, against SanFran, the touchdown pass to Andrews, again into double coverage, Andrews leaps and makes a great catch. However, there was a receiver to the left on a corner route wide open, if thrown on time. I get it, as I said as you concur, he trusts his tightends more right now. But his receivers have not let him down with drops, just with supposedly getting open. Without seeing the all 22 coverage we will not know if they are getting open. Granted, not every play is there a receiver getting open, this is the NFL, dbs can cover. But to beat man to man and even zone, requires reading, knowing the matchups and most importantly, timing on the throw. This line has been unreal in pass blocking this year, best ever for this team. Lamar has time but either no one is open in that time or, he is not reading the coverage presnap. Again, it is ok, he is young and can learn to, but he could not read defenses in college, that was one of the "knocks" against him. I say all of this not to bash him just to discuss. Too many people think any criticism of him is bashing him and thus we must "hate him". Far from it. This has been a magical season, as I said to you in the other thread, what ever happens from here out I will not be disappointed.