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Not just the qb either though. Take the pass rushers & their price.... Ouch is it getting teams in cap trouble. We might start to see, if the Ravens win the Super Bowl, or say Tennessee does, that rent a qb like rent a runningback has become. Lamar might stay healthy, if he does and progresses as we expect & hope, what will be his number in 3-4 years? $200 mil guarenteed? Left tackles are also up high, shutown corners, .... It used to be get a qb, a left tackle and an edge rusher and fill the rest in. Not any more with these prices. They have to go to some type of exclusion, the cap just isn't rising fast enough.

Wow, really? I did not excuse the opponents poor play with westher. Thr good thing about message boards is we can go back and see not only exactly waht I said, but the context in which I said-said words. I simply asked a question about the Ravens offensive line and how well they were keeping Lamar clean and wondered if the wet field played a role in helping keep the best pass rush in the league at bey. I aslo later praised and continue, key, to praise this line, iI have even said, we can quote that as well, that this is the best line, pass blocking, that this franchise has ever had... As for not giving Lamar room for error on throws in the rain, we should check the game feed again. As for receivers dropping passes, please, we can go to stat sheets for my proof rather than your opnion of what is a drop and what is not. An example from one your and mine discussions in a game thread; Andrews, leaping as high as he can, turning all the way around, falling backward between TWO defenders and having one of the defenders come down with the ball. That is not a drop, not pick put on Andrews, that is another example of a pass that should not have been thrown and is on the qb, Lamar. Yet you disagree and think it should have been caught. Lamar is a great player right now, no debate, but if he has to throw more than 30 times to win a game we do not know if he can do that; proof that the coaches don't think so either is the system they built for him and that they run. I am.critical in games too, not of Lamar, of the entire team and they are 11-2 ! It's called love of the team, of the game. Of seeing that improvements need to be made, for lomg term success, just as Max said to start the thread. It's not hate, you want hate for a player, their play, go back and look how I talked about CJ Mosely, or most any Bama/Ozzy pick most recently the former punt returner... Or my current fav to hate on Hill who falls over when the wind blows 1 mph.....

Hold the phone Pinocchio. I was critical as you use the term of Flacco. My "excuse" as you call it was actually, accurately that the line was terrible in pass blocking. Flacco had less time in the pocket than Lamar has now. Joe is a pocket passer, the team knew it, everyone even you knew it. Yet year after year the team missed on draft picks of the offensive line. Now we get to the wideouts; the team has missed on them in the draft every year since they came here. So what is a pocket passer going to do with no line and no wide outs? Stink. My "criticism" of Lamar in this thread is to address what this offense needs to do; MOVING FORWARD. His style of offense will not last; injuries will catch up to him, defenses are already starting to figure this offense out. Thus my statement of; deep passing game needs to happen in order to open up the 8, 9 in a box, zone under man over coverages the defenses are doing now. I simply asked a question; is Lamar seeing the reads or just looking for an open man. Again, without the all 22 film we may not know. But, I have seen on regular replay, on several plays each game, as I said on the spot in the game threads, that based on the coverage and the position of the dbs on the outside, when Lamar threw into double, sometimes even tripple coverage, even when he completed those passes, that there was one on one coverage with position, for a better option elsewhere. You can see further proof when teams play zone, Lamar holds the ball too long and receivers run into the same area on straight crossing routes. Why? Because their routes run that course and the ball should have been thrown sooner. Is it a big deal? NO, as I said, he is young and can learn. But don't come at me with your hater speech because Lamar could NOT read defensive coverages in college; FACT. As I said, some people, you included, think that discussing a player's faults means we hate the player. This is not thie board that has that issue. Here, we discuss all aspects of a player, good & bad.

Up from $196.8 m according to Shefty... Now about that one exclusion player's salary, Bueller, Bueller, Bueller

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Good news, sit him anyway, no sense taking the chance on such a stupid short week. One day the league will wake up and end these Thursday night games except when coming off a bye week... The Borg would repair him before returning a drone to battle...

A lot will depend on what happens with Smith and Peters, do they keep one, both or none? They clearly need middle backers first off. Then edge rushers, then a reliable wide out with speed, quickness and hands. I guess they will ignore that position since they have two rookies starting this year; both have been disappointing for one reason or another. It's a good draft for every position of need, good thing they are drafting low, none of those positions are worth a high pick save wide out and they wouldn't do that again.

Charlie horses can hurt for a while, maybe we see RG starting this game......

Spen, he sees the field but does he read the coverages? We cannot know the answer for certain so this is a simple discussion, not for arguement sake. However, evidence such as when he throws into tripple coverage, one play as an example; the deep flag route Andrews ran, where he got hurt, never should have been throw even if Andrews makes a miraculous catch. Why? Because since they were in 8 man box, zone under, man outside, that means there were two other receivers in man coverage with no safety help. So someone else was a better option. That is just one play but he does this every game. Last game, against SanFran, the touchdown pass to Andrews, again into double coverage, Andrews leaps and makes a great catch. However, there was a receiver to the left on a corner route wide open, if thrown on time. I get it, as I said as you concur, he trusts his tightends more right now. But his receivers have not let him down with drops, just with supposedly getting open. Without seeing the all 22 coverage we will not know if they are getting open. Granted, not every play is there a receiver getting open, this is the NFL, dbs can cover. But to beat man to man and even zone, requires reading, knowing the matchups and most importantly, timing on the throw. This line has been unreal in pass blocking this year, best ever for this team. Lamar has time but either no one is open in that time or, he is not reading the coverage presnap. Again, it is ok, he is young and can learn to, but he could not read defenses in college, that was one of the "knocks" against him. I say all of this not to bash him just to discuss. Too many people think any criticism of him is bashing him and thus we must "hate him". Far from it. This has been a magical season, as I said to you in the other thread, what ever happens from here out I will not be disappointed.

Ok, I'll play catch with you. I was not speaking about Ingram running the wild cat, that was just one play. They ran several other plays that were out of character with RG, and as I said in that thread; I understand wanting to skew tendencies, but you run the risk of breaking the rythem; which happened. Thanks. Lamar was making the wrong reads on a few read options; it happens, it is going to happen, every qb makes the wrong read from time to time. He also missed open receivers based on coverage, as I said in that thread. Come on over any time and I will pay fpr the NFL all 22 coverage and I will be happy to show you. Again, every qb does from time to time, no big deal. But you sir or madam, want to nit-pick me, no problem, I can play too. As I said in the game thread as it was happening, based on the coverage the Bills were playing, crossimg routes, flags, post routes would be open and all Lamar had to do was pick a matchup as he THEN did with Hurst. Brown was open also on that play and every play where he ran a deep post. The dbs were in man, playing outside leverage, Brown was easily running away from them and Lamar had time. He is young, no big deal, he trusts his tight ends more right now.

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What a weird state we find our selves, this team in this time of year. A normal season I would say a short week favors the better team; Thursday games are yawners for the most part. Clearly the Ravens are the better team, but, everyone has one.... A nine game winning streak, let me type that again; a 9 game winning streak, following two wins where parts of the team did not play well, consistently. Over the holiday I told my sin in law I felt this, expected the Ravens to lose this game. A winning streak has to end, not even this magical season is going to have the Ravens win 14 games in a row, will it, can they? If Darnold gets time he can pick apart any defense. If the line doesn't block, not even Lamar will have a good enough game to win. I think this team has poured out a lot of energy these past 9 games, and a short week will test them too much. Jets, big

I think they just need some time off, a little rest & relaxtion. They will get a short one after this stupid Thursday night game. If they can stay focused and not get cute, Roman, they can lock up the div this week and be one game closer to another mini vaca with a first round bye.....

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Forgive me, fresh off the game thoughts. Plays there to be made, decisions made that were bad, game plan on offense disappointing. As I said at the end, who care, they won, 9th in a row are you kidding me? 11-2, are you serious? I don't truly care what happens goung forward, this has been one of the best seasons this fan base has ever seen!

I'll be sound a sleep when the Jets vs Ravens game is underway, hate night games; ugh... I counted that game as a loss anyway...

It should worry you; this is a trend. Defenses with the personnel are loading the box with 8, trying to stop the run, stretching out plays that go wide. If it is a pass, they drop back into zone underneath, man to the outside. This leaves the middle depth area clogged, but as we saw with Hurst, deeper crossing routes, posts, flags, open with a timely, accurate pass. I saw several times on replay where Brown or Roberts were open, in man coverage, 20 yards downfield, db trailing them to the outside. Lamar had time but chose to hold the ball and either throw short or run, get sacked. Teams will start doing this, sure, the pass to Hurst for 61 catch & run yards was a dagger, Brown was also open on a deep post pattern. So one pass out of 16 completions for 61, the other 14 for 81 yards; not good. Granted, 2 of those were less than 10 yard touchdown passes so there is that. More troubling as I said early was his decision making in handling the ball on the read option. Several times he kept it when he should have handed off for a much bigger gain. Also the play calling, as I said I could almost understand, just trying to help skew tendencies. However each time they tried to get cute it stopped a rythem, stopped a drive, cost a timeout, almost cost them a touchdown. In the end they won, any way how with a great defensive effort, lame penalties included. But this team has to get the defenses to back off and that only comes with consistent completed deep passes which this team has none. But who cares at this point, 11-2 what a season no matter what happens going forward.

The Ravens did not deserve this win, Lamar couldn't read the defense, was off target all day even with 3 td passes. Poor choices on the read option.... He wasn't helped with the play calling. The defense, was outstanding; I blame the late score and the almost score squarely on the offense, on the play calling. But a win on the road is a win. 11-2 who knew

Wow great play on a zero blitz by Peters! Game over!

Major pressure; they have to pick one of these chucks & prays off

This defense is losing it's composure; two unsportsmanlike penalties, a Pi on 4th & forever..... They deserved better than this; thanks Roman

Boy the defense needs a pick 6 here...

What was that? You limit the field when they have 8 in the box?

This game is closer than it should be because of play calling; game plan, execution on offense.

Smith caught sleeping on a 2 pt conversion