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Seeing that tackle I thought it might be broken. I am looking for an article about surgery. Is there one? Where did you hear? I was amazed he was trying to play this weekend. If he doesn't play I think the Giants win.

Cordy Glenn, G, Georgia Height: 6-6. Weight: 346. Projected 40 Time: 5.28. Arm: 35 1/8. Hand: 10. Projected Round (2012): 1-2. 1/16/12: In many games this regular season, Glenn was dominant. He has the power, quick feet and long arms to make him a balanced blocker. Glenn had no problem opening holes in the ground game, and generally was a good pass protector. In the first contest of the year, the senior had a disaster of a game. Boise State's Shea McClellin and the rest of the Broncos defensive line had their way with Glenn as he allowed multiple hits on the quarterback. Glenn gave up a few sacks, plus he was flagged multiple times. Glenn battled against South Carolina, Florida and LSU. He got beat on some plays and also had a good share of wins. In the NFL, Glenn would be best as a guard in a power-man blocking scheme. Kelechi Osemele, OT/G, Iowa State Height: 6-5. Weight: 333. Projected 40 Time: 5.36. Arm: 35 1/4. Hand: 10 3/8. Projected Round (2012): 2. 1/16/12: Osemele put together an excellent season. Iowa State had him at left tackle, and he played well there. Osemele is a very good athlete for his size with the ability to slide and mirror pass rushers. He has long arms, quick feet and carries his weight well. Matching up against Oklahoma's Frank Alexander, Osmele held him without a sack. He has the power to run defenders over in the ground game. While Osmele could play right tackle in the NFL, his best fit could be inside at guard. Kevin Zeitler, G, Wisconsin Height: 6-4. Weight: 315. Projected 40 Time: 5.21. Arm: 32 1/2. Hand: 10 1/8. Projected Round (2012): 2. 1/16/12: Zeitler did a fabulous job paving the way for running back Montee Ball this year. Zeitler is strong at the point of attack and has no issues blasting open running lanes. He has more mobility and athletic ability than one might think. Zeitler does a good job of hitting blocks on the second level and in the open field on screen passes. He also did an excellent job in pass protection for quarterback Russell Wilson. Zeitler really helped his stock with a strong season. He played very well against Penn State's Devon Still, and had an evenly-matched battle with Michigan State's Jerel Worthy in the Big Ten Championship Game. Zeitler and center Peter Konz were the two lead linemen that the Badgers ran behind as they averaged 235.7 yards per game on the ground. Ryan Miller, G, Colorado Height: 6-8. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.25. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 1/16/12: Miller had a strong senior season with some impressive games. He showed the ability to be a forceful run blocker. Miller is a very good athlete and has excellent quickness to fire out of his stance to get to the second level. He anchors well in the pass rush and has the mobility to slide with defenders. Miller has the skill set to get some consideration at right tackle. He had an impressive game against Washington. Lucas Nix, G/OT, Pittsburgh Height: 6-6. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.19. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/16/12: Nix was moved to left tackle and played well this season, but the senior also missed multiple games with injuries. He should move back inside for the next level. Nix has good power and moves pretty well for his size, but he probably does not have the athleticism necessary to be a tackle at the NFL. Brandon Washington*, G, Miami Height: 6-4. Weight: 320. Projected 40 Time: 5.21. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/16/12: After being a 2010 All-ACC pick at guard, Miami moved Washington to left tackle after Seantrel Henderson was injured. Washington had a mixed season at left tackle. He did a quality job of run blocking for Hurricanes running back Lamar Miller. Washington has a nice combination of power and mobility, but belongs on the inside. Head coach Al Golden was openly critical of Washington after he struggled against North Carolina and defensive end Quinton Coples. Washington took offense at his coach's criticism, but remained the starter at left tackle. He has some talent, and his situation at Miami led him to entering the draft. In the NFL, Washington definitely has to move back inside. Lonnie Edwards, G, Texas Tech Height: 6-4. Weight: 322. Projected 40 Time: 5.16. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/16/12: Edwards did a very good job this season and showed a lot of improvements. He is a physical run blocker and a quality pass blocker. Edwards has the power to push defensive linemen around and open up holes on the ground. Texas Tech put up some big point totals, and he had a strong senior season. Joel Foreman, G, Michigan State Height: 6-4. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.30. Projected Round (2012): 4-5. 1/16/12: Foreman was solid, yet unspectacular for Michigan State this season. He is a quality run blocker and pass blocker. Foreman has good technique and is well-rounded, but does not look like he has special physical tools. Will Blackwell, G/C, LSU Height: 6-4. Weight: 314. Projected 40 Time: 5.03. Arm: 33 3/4. Hand: 10 1/2. Projected Round (2012): 4-5. 1/16/12: Blackwell had a strong senior season opening up holes on the ground for LSU. He also was a good pass protector for his quarterbacks. Blackwell was LSU's starter at right guard for the 2010 season. For the next level, he needs to add power. Blackwell has some developmental potential and should get cross-trained at center. He was a first-team All-SEC selection this year. Adam Gettis, G/C, Iowa Height: 6-4. Weight: 280. Projected 40 Time: 5.05. Projected Round (2012): 4-6. 1/16/12: This year, Gettis was a second-team all Big Ten selection and did a good job of opening up running holes. Running back Marcus Coker had an excellent season running behind him. Gettis is athletic and quick, but he is too light for the NFL. Gettis needs to add weight and may have to move to center if he can't add a significant amount of weight. Jaymes Brooks, G, Virginia Tech Height: 6-2. Weight: 307. Projected 40 Time: 5.14. Projected Round (2012): 4-6. 1/16/12: Brooks and the Virginia Tech offensive line did a good job of opening up holes for running back David Wilson. The Hokies averaged 187 yards per game on the ground this year. Brooks could use a little more power in his game, but he improved his stock this season. Stephen Good, G, Oklahoma Height: 6-6. Weight: 299. Projected 40 Time: 5.09. Projected Round (2012): 5-6. 1/16/12: Good and the Oklahoma offensive line had a strong season. They did a good job in pass protection for quarterback Landry Jones and in opening up holes on the ground for running back Dominique Whaley, before he went down with an injury. Good missed the game against Kansas. He should add some power to be a better run blocker in the NFL. Art Forst, G/OT, Rutgers Height: 6-8. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.30. Projected Round (2012): 5-6. 1/16/12: Forst did not play the first two games of the season, but returned to start the last seven games for Rutgers. He played well for the Crimson Knights as a run and pass blocker. Forst is a sleeper prospect with some potential to turn into a contributor at the next level.

http://walterfootbal...draft2012OT.php Barrett Jones*, T/G, Alabama Height: 6-5. Weight: 311. Projected 40 Time: 5.19. Projected Round (2012): 1. 12/14/11: Jones has had tremendous season that has really elevated his draft stock. In his biggest test of the year, the junior was playing very well against LSU before he sustained an ankle injury in the second half. Early in the evening, Jones was doing a phenomenal job of run blocking for Trent Richardson, and Alabama had a lot of success running behind Jones. He also wasn't getting help with LSU's speed rushers on the edge, and Jones was rock solid not allowing a sack or pressure. If the tackle can duplicate that performance against Tigers' speed rushers in the National Championship Game, he could move his stock up even more further. Jones moved to left tackle this season after playing guard the previous two years. His transisition has been flawless. He did a fabulous job of run blocking for Trent Richardson, and has been equally good in pass protection. Jones is an intelligent player who has the physical tools to be effective. Over the past four months, he has proved himself as a legitimate first-round left tackle prospect for the NFL. After the season, Jones will have to decide if he wants to turn pro. D.J. Fluker**, OT, Alabama Height: 6-6. Weight: 335. Projected 40 Time: 5.10. Projected Round (2012): 1-2. 12/14/11: Fluker was real force at right tackle for Alabama this season. He has been a strong run blocker paving the way for Trent Richardson. If Barrett Jones leaves for the NFL, it will be interesting to see if Fluker stays and moves to left tackle for next season. Fluker looks like he could be a quick starter at right tackle after getting drafted and is a natural at the position. Mike Adams, OT, Ohio State Height: 6-7. Weight: 323. Projected 40 Time: 5.12. Arm: 33 1/4. Hand: 11. Projected Round (2012): 2. 12/14/11: Adams has played reasonably well after returning from his suspension. Ohio State's offense became much better when they got him back. He continued to have some issues with speed rushers. Illinois speed rushing end Whitney Mercilus torched Adams for 1.5 sacks and a forced fumble. That weakness could prompt his moving to right tackle in the NFL. He is a strong run blocker who should be an asset in the ground game. Nate Potter, OT, Boise State Height: 6-6. Weight: 300. Projected 40 Time: 5.14. Projected Round (2012): 2. 12/14/11: Potter has had a quality season. He does not have elite physical talent, and that pushes him into the second day. Potter is one of the few left tackle options who should be available after the first round. He had a strong debut against Georgia, the best team Boise State faced this season. Potter constantly gave quarterback Kellen Moore ample time to throw the ball. Even though Potter is not a heavy tackle, he showed the strength to anchor against bull rushers. Potter needs to increase his strength and power to be an adequate run blocker in the NFL. Matt Reynolds, OT, BYU Height: 6-6. Weight: 325. Projected 40 Time: 5.20. Projected Round (2011): 2-3. 12/14/11: Reynolds had a dominant performance against Ole Miss to start the season. Reynolds was blocking his man through the whistle and shut down every defensive end he faced. Against Texas and TCU, Reynolds was not as dominant but still had a quality performances. Right now, he is a better pass blocker than run blocker. While bull rushes were completely ineffective against Reynolds, he also showed the quick feet to drop back and mirror defenders on speed rushes. Reynolds needs to improve his run blocking and tenacity in the ground game. Ricky Wagner*, OT, Wisconsin Height: 6-6. Weight: 320. Projected 40 Time: 5.20. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 12/14/11: Wagner was dominant throughout the season. He has opened up a lot of holes for running backs Montee Ball and James White, while preventing pressure on quarterback Russell Wilson. Wagner played well against Wisconsin's better opponents like Nebraska and Michigan State (first meeting). The only games where he had some issues was with Illinois and defensive end Whitney Mercilus and the second battle against Michigan State. Wagner is big road-grader that may not have the quickness and athleticism to be a left tackle in the NFL. He could be a better fit as a right tackle. If Wagner stays in school, he could be one of the better senior tackles in the nation. It would be surprising if Wagner entered the draft early. Zebrie Sanders, OT, Florida State Height: 6-6. Weight: 308. Projected 40 Time: 5.16. Arm: 34 5/8. Hand: 11. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 12/14/11: After Andrew Datko went down with a season-ending injury, Sanders moved to left tackle and performed reasonably well. He had some strong games (Boston College) and some weak games (Florida) on the left side. At the very least, Sanders showed the ability to be a swing tackle on game days and that will have a big appeal to NFL coaches. Like Datko, Sanders didn't play very well against Oklahoma, though he did perform better against Clemson. Sanders is a good athlete who is a well-rounded pass and run blocker. He looks like a solid second-day pick who could be a starting right tackle with the ability to fill in at left tackle if needed. Bobby Massie*, OT, Ole Miss Height: 6-6. Weight: 312. Projected 40 Time: 5.09. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 12/14/11: Massie has had some quality games this season, but did not have his best performance against Alabama. He has done well in run blocking. Massie is too strong to be bull rushed and has the athletic ability to mirror well in pass blocking. He is still a little raw and could use more experience and development. There are stretches where Massie overwhelms defenders. Don Barclay, OT, West Virginia Height: 6-4. Weight: 305. Projected 40 Time: 5.16. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 12/14/11: Barclay has had a strong senior season which has improved his draft stock. He has been a solid blindside protector for Geno Smith, and is a suitable run blocker. Barclay had a quality performance against Marshall's standout pass rusher Vinny Curry. Barclay allowed some pressure, but did not give up a sack. Smith helped out his tackle by escaping the pocket and getting the ball out reasonably quickly. Curry was one of the best pass rushers Barclay faced all season. The tackle had a harder game against LSU, allowing some heat on the quarterback, but he battled and had his share of wins. Barclay is a quality sleeper prospect. Andrew Datko, OT, Florida State Height: 6-6. Weight: 312. Projected 40 Time: 5.09. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 12/14/11: Early in the season, it was a mixed bag for Datko. He struggled against Oklahoma and defensive end Frank Alexander. Datko was beat by Alexander for a sack and multiple pressures. Datko rebounded with a good game versus Clemson by shutting down defensive end Andre Branch. After playing four games, Datko had his season ended with a shoulder injury. He had surgery that 'didn't take' according to head coach Jimbo Fisher. The frequent shoulder injuries have sent his stock from the first round to the mid-rounds. Datko is a buyer beware, boom-or-bust pick. Reportedly, Florida State is looking into getting a medical redshirt to try and get him another collegiate season in 2012. His status for the 2012 draft is still unclear. Mike Ryan, OT, Connecticut Height: 6-5. Weight: 330. Projected 40 Time: 5.27. Projected Round (2012): 3-5. 12/14/11: Ryan had some good games this season, including his matchup against Pittsburgh defensive end Brandon Lindsey. Ryan could be a sleeper prospect. Alex Hurst, OT, LSU Height: 6-6. Weight: 340. Projected 40 Time: 5.19. Projected Round (2012): 4-5. 12/14/11: Hurst has had a a lot of good games blocking for LSU this season. He has been a tough run blocker and has done a quality job in pass protection. Hurst may need to move inside to guard on the next level, but he has good power and technique. Hurst is a sleeper prospect who has improved his stock this season. Mitchell Schwartz, OT, California Height: 6-5. Weight: 317. Projected 40 Time: 5.17. Arm: 32. Hand: 10. Projected Round (2012): 4-5. 12/14/11: Schwartz has had a quality season and has done a quality job of pass blocking for the Golden Bears.

That is an unproveable point.

http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-0202-20120201,0,2370677.story Ozzie disagrees Steve and Ozzie are stating what I have thought. What do you have to let go to keep Grubbs. I think this is laying the ground work for a softer PR hit when he leaves.

Well Zorn was only a yr if I am recalling corectly. Others got jobs elsewhere. How do you know Harbs fired Zorn? The team let him go so that could have been Cam's idea again with Harbs.

He gets stats but he gets his QB killed.

Not here but when I said I hoped a cop would be shot and I could shit on his grave. I remember quite well.

Like a said it looks like rebuild.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/01/myron-rolle-signs-with-the-steelers/ That is rather unfortunate.

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/02/02/london-tickets-were-supposed-to-go-on-sale-but-didnt/ Rams have the "home" game in London.

Disassembled what?

Pags should be in a solid spot. He gets the #1 pick and the best QB since Elway. With a rookie and what looks like something of a rebuilding I don't see him jump to 12 games or something and sets expectations to high.

100% accurate. I am guessing you are saying Ray and Reed. I go back to letting guys who have since left go further back. I would not have inked Heap a 2nd time. He should have been traded. I said the same of Suggs but he is proving me wrong. They just need to find another person to maximize his production. If the moves had been made back then you would have guys that are in their prime. Oh. You know better than anyone that I will go thermo nuke when it gets to it.

Don't mention Martz. If you want Joe to stay on his feet then he is not your guy.

I was trying to find the article but can't. I do remember he put his staff together in 2008.

I expect him to be gone far before the Ravens draft.

I have for yrs said they should get young. I do not believe in keeping heros because they are heros. I have said for a long time to build via the draft. I do not see that as being a bad thing. Pleese tell me how it is.

Audie Cole, ILB, North Carolina State Height: 6-4. Weight: 248. Projected 40 Time: 4.65. Arm: 32 1/4. Hand: 10. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 12/26/11: Cole has put together a solid senior season. In 2011, he has recorded 98 tackles with 9.5 tackles for a loss, 3.5 sacks, four forced fumbles and four passes broken up. Cole can be a tough defender in the tackle box with good instincts. In the spring of 2011, North Carolina State moved him to the middle linebacker spot. In 2010, for the second straight year, Cole led the team in tackles. He recorded 97 tackles with 10.5 tackles for a loss as an outside linebacker. As a sophomore, Cole led the team in tackles with 85. He needs to get bigger for the NFL. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OA3j41bQfk8 I like how fast he moves around but he doesn't deal with blockers from the line well. Kevin Reddick*, ILB, North Carolina Height: 6-3. Weight: 240. Projected 40 Time: 4.67. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 12/26/11: Reddick has been solid for North Carolina this season, collecting 67 tackles with six tackles for a loss, one sack and four passes broken up. He has been overshadowed by Zach Brown but is a quality prospect. Reddick could standout more if he returns for his senior year and continues to improve.

Vontaze Burfict*, ILB, Arizona State Height: 6-3. Weight: 250. Projected 40 Time: 4.63. Projected Round (2012): 1. 12/26/11: Burfict had a disappointing season this year. The junior is still developing, but looks like he could be a special player in the NFL. Burfict makes big plays, but seems to hold back some of the aggressiveness that made him such a presence in his first two seasons. In 2011, he had 69 tackles with seven tackles for a loss, five sacks, three passes broken up and an interception. Burfict's best game this season came against USC when he had five tackles and a tackle for a loss. He made a game-changing play by intercepting Trojans quarterback Matt Barkley in the red zone and returning the ball to just past midfield. Including his outing against USC, Burfict did not have a game all season where he recorded double-digit tackles. Too often, he was quiet and did not make an impact in the ground game. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d7achvXsy3Q Can't find anything other than a highlight vid. Dont'a Hightower*, ILB, Alabama Height: 6-4. Weight: 260. Projected 40 Time: 4.85. Projected Round (2011): 1. 12/26/11: Hightower has had a good season for Alabama. He has been a tough, in-the-box defender and has increased his splash plays. Hightower has shown the ability to be a dangerous blitzer as well. He looks much faster than he did in 2010 when he was in his first season back from knee surgery. Hightower has 81 tackles with 9.5 tackles for a loss, three sacks, one interception and three passes batted away this season. He had a dominant game against Tennessee and played well versus LSU. Against Georgia Southern, Hightower blocked a field goal and it looked like he was spiking a volleyball. Hightower is a real presence in the tackle box. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MzJ3o1heM5E Same problem. I do like how he diagnosis plays.

http://walterfootball.com/draft2012C.php Peter Konz*, C, Wisconsin Height: 6-5. Weight: 315. Projected 40 Time: 5.58. Projected Round (2012): 1. 1/9/12: The junior Konz has collected a stack of dominant tapes for NFL evaluators this season. He has played elite players like Jerel Worthy and Jared Crick very well. The Badgers have had a fabulous running offense, and Konz is an excellent run blocker. He seals holes well, gets to the second level, and puts defenders on the ground regularly. Konz has done a fabulous job in pass protection for quarterback Russell Wilson. Not many centers enter the draft early. That goes for Wisconsin offensive linemen as well, so it would be somewhat surprising if he enters the 2012 draft. Late in the season, Konz dislocated his ankle and that caused him to sit out some games. He returned and played very well in the Rose Bowl against Oregon. Ben Jones, C, Georgia Height: 6-3. Weight: 304. Projected 40 Time: 5.17. Arm: 32 1/4. Hand: 9 5/8. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 1/9/12: To start the season, Jones had a rough performance against Boise State and really struggled with defensive tackle Billy Winn. Jones (6-3, 316) allowed a sack and way too much pressure up the middle of the defense. After that game, he played really well for most of the year. Jones was a solid run blocker and improved his pass protection. He did not play well against LSU and Michigan State. Jones is a bigger center who would be a fit in a power run scheme, and he will need to get better as a pass rusher. Michael Brewster, C, Ohio State Height: 6-4. Weight: 310. Projected 40 Time: 5.08. Arm: 31. Hand: 9 5/8. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 1/9/12: Brewster had some late season struggles which have sent his stock down. He played poorly against Penn State and had problems snapping the ball due to being so preoccupied with blocking Devon Still. For some strange reason, his snaps trailed off as the season went on. In his bowl game versus Florida, Brewster did not play all that well. Still, the senior is an intelligent technician who typically wins his block. He is well-rounded as a run blocker and pass blocker. Early in the season, Brewster had excellent games against Miami defensive tackle Marcus Forston, and Nebraska defensive tackles Jared Crick and Baker Steinkuhler. Brewster is athletic and mobile. The knock on him is his smaller size and lack of power as a run blocker. In the NFL, Brewster would excel in a passing-led offense or a zone-blocking run scheme. Philip Blake, C, Baylor Height: 6-2. Weight: 312. Projected 40 Time: 5.58. Arm: 31 7/8. Hand: 9 3/4. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 1/9/12: Throughout 2011, Blake was an excellent pass protector for Robert Griffin III, and opened up holes in the ground game for running back Terrance Ganaway. Blake is a good athlete for his size. He has the strength to push tackles aside and surprising quickness to hit blocks on linebackers. For the past two years, Blake has been the starter at center, having begun his collegiate career at tackle. To close out 2011, he had a lot of success going against Washington Huskies defensive tackle Alameda Ta'amu in the Alamo Bowl. The Baylor Bears were able to have a massive game on the ground to the tune of 482 yards. In the NFL, Blake would probably fit best in a power man blocking scheme. William Vlachos, C, Alabama Height: 6-0. Weight: 306. Projected 40 Time: 5.13. Arm: 30. Hand: 9 1/8. Projected Round (2012): 2-3. 12/5/11: Vlachos has had an overall strong season. The senior has led a powerful interior running game for Alabama, but he struggled against LSU and its speedy interior linemen. However, Vlachos looks like a solid pick who will be able to play quickly in the NFL. David Molk, C, Michigan Height: 6-2. Weight: 286. Projected 40 Time: 4.99. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/9/12: Molk was an excellent college player, and he was the 2011 Remington Trophy recipient. Molk is a fast and mobile blocker who did a good job of opening up holes and protecting quarterback Denard Robinson. Molk is very undersized, and he could be lighter than his listed measurements. At the next level, Molk will have to be in a zone-blocking scheme to survive. He doesn't have size to fit in a power man blocking scheme, so that limits him to teams that are zone based, and not all of them need a center. If Molk was bigger and stronger to be an option for other schemes, he would be a definite second-day pick. Quentin Saulsberry, C, Mississippi State Height: 6-2. Weight: 300. Projected 40 Time: 5.10. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/9/12: Saulsberry was an honorable All-SEC mention for his 2011 season at center. He did a good job of blocking for running back Vick Ballard. Saulsberry is a versatile player who has logged time at four of the five offensive line positions. He was the starter at right guard in 2010 and left guard in 2009. As a freshman, he was the starter at right tackle. In the NFL, Saulsberry could stay at center at his current weight. If the senior moves to guard, he will need to add some more bulk and power to his game. At the very least, Saulsberry should be a versatile backup for game days. Ben Habern, C, Oklahoma Height: 6-2. Weight: 291. Projected 40 Time: 5.28. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/9/12: Habern started the season strong with three good games for the Sooners. He broke his arm against Missouri and missed the next four games. Habern had some inconsistencies later and that hurt his stock some this year. Habern looks like a better pass protector than run blocker. Garth Gerhart, C/G, Arizona State Height: 6-1. Weight: 301. Projected 40 Time: 5.25. Arm: 32 7/8. Hand: 9 5/8. Projected Round (2012): 3-4. 1/9/12: Gerhart played well for Arizona State this season and improved his stock significantly. He is quick and athletic. That allows him to be effective when pulling. Gerhart also isn't afraid to get physical and fights through the whistle. He is a better run blocker than pass blocker. Gerhart needs to improve his awareness and get his head on swivel in pass protection. He struggled against Boise State and defensive tackle Billy Winn. Grant Garner, C, Oklahoma State Height: 6-3. Weight: 292. Projected 40 Time: 5.19. Projected Round (2012): 4-5. 1/9/12: Garner played well this season. He did well in run blocking, but was simply superb at keeping the pocket clean for quarterback Brandon Weeden. Garner played well against Stanford to conclude his career.

No need to go around with your retarded understanding of football. So did they make you jump in the bay for your own cause on Sat? I have not started calling names like a 4 yo. But maybe I should start. I seem to get them. The only difference is no holds bared with me. Tool and moron are so trite. Torrey was a dropaholic at UMD and to start here. These things can be worked on. There have been many players who droped the ball all the time and worked past it.

So if Manning can make others better with osmosis why is Painter not good?

OK. So many have not been good there.