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Won't happen cleetz...the Hainesworth to Indigenous Persons. They are tight to the CAP and only have 4 picks in the draft. They might sign Haines worth but that would mean the other 15 needs could not be addressed. They are falling apart...we've known that, they are just waking up to it.

I get the feeling that Bart is the guy the agent is refering to as far as possibly signing before the deadline. The Ravens can't afford to lose both Bart and Ray to Free Agency.....which is a possibility if both hit the market....so lock up one of them. I definately want Brown to stay. I like REEDPIXOFF's suggestion to pay Brown as a tweener (guard/center) like they did with Suggs. That's very fair IMO. Somewhere, having a great team, stadium, facility (The Castle), fans, ownership and franchise has to come into the equation if the money is close.

He's not under contract...with anyone. Fred Taylor, who was released, is visiting teams... I don't think players who are out-right released are bound by the rules of the Free Agent signing period. I think those rules only apply to players who are elligeble be Free Agents but are currently under contract until Free Agency begins. I have some doubt on this so that is why I asked the question.

Something else to look out for while being awed by the numbers... As Billick said..."That's the last time they'll run a 40."

Ray may not like the value the rest of the league has for him.

This sounds good...promising. Usually agents have more threatening news. If Brown signs then everything should fall into place. Brown is the guy I don't want to see hit the market. I'll save the celebration pictures until it happens.

I heard he failed his exit physical...but I'm not certain as to the truth on that. Cris is out of the NFL right now...homeless...tons of teams need secondary help...they should be looking at him now. Unless his knees are bad and he wants to wait until he can pass a physical.

McAlister has been released, so any team with interest can sign him now...right? If so....why haven't they?

This was in the Sun today... Viviano made a point this morning about Ray that helps take the sting out of some of Ray's comments(for me). Viv said to remember that, when Ray grew up there were no Ravens. Everybody has a favorite team and the Cowboys could have been his...so he's just voicing a childhood dream....of course with the intent of driving up his value in the market. Bulldog said "Judge him by what he does between the lines.' Good point. Ray has given everything there for the Ravens. Everything.

He also measured out 2 inches shorter than advertised...at 6'1".

He did say that rm52....I'm thinking clearer now...less angry. I always wanted to be President of the United States. I guess my fellow employees shouldn't think I'm a traitor.

OK....I'm calm now...I'm in my Happy Place.

AND SCRAP THE IDEA ABOUT PUTTING UP HIS STATUE IN UNITAS PLAZA!

I keep thinking the same thing.."If true...if true"...... I can't believe a player would say that during the season. It's the after the Cowboy game comment that really pisses me off. And begging for Jerry's number????....sounds like a desperate man. He'll fit in well with those check cashing theives in Dallas. I'm ok with any player wanting to test the market to find his value. They deserve that. They earned that. If their team can't match or beat the offer I'm ok with any player moving on. Right now I'm so mad I don't want him back and I'll never wear his jersey again.

Doing a little trolling Dee??? I just read the article... http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...3677404DCDD1719 Ray is one big load of bullshit...if that's what he wants Ozzie needs to cut ties right now. I'd call him, ask if it's true...if the answers yes then I'd say "so long...we're done".

Look what Ware is saying...Ray came to him after the Cowboy game and said he wants to wear that star on his helmit. If true, then he's a traitor in my book....one big load of BS about his heart being in Baltimore. http://www.dallascowboys.com/news/news.cfm...3677404DCDD1719

Ha...Ha...HAAAAA. You can have Travis Taylors for that (I have his)...I'll throw in Bennie Thompsons as a good friend gesture. You'll never get these signatures again...all on the 2 blank opening pages of the book. Priceless. The price goes up tomorrow...that was a "TODAY" price.

It's Suggs, Ray and Bart Dee. This will be an interesting week. If Brown or Ray sign, the rest will fall in place before Free Agency IMO.

I'll take $5,000 for it.

I don't know how but "Go for it Ozzie!"

I have John Steadmans book "The Baltimore Colts" and it's personally autographed by Unitas, Moore, Berry, Dupre, Sandusky, Joyce, Sample, Donovan, Davis, Brown, Simpson, Nutler, DeCarlo, Brase and others. No idea what that's worth

Yea...in shared misery and frustration. My advice to them is....... Just slip out the back, jack Make a new plan, stan You dont need to be coy, roy Just get yourself free Hop on the bus, gus You dont need to discuss much Just drop off the key, lee And get yourself free

Leonard can definately be a starter on many teams. I don't think any Ravens fans want to see him go...I know I don't. He's got 'the Right Stuff'. Ozzie must have a plan in mind. I'm sure he does.

I want to thank everybody for their thoughts on the draft and their draft prospects information. You're doing good work..in a round about way you save me homework. I definately read what everybody has to say...I'm just not knowledgable enough to contribute yet. As a fan (and a geezer.. )I'm set in my ways. I follow a slotted time schedule (ignore FA and the draft during the regular season) then I go all out on free agency ignoring the draft because it doesn't happen until April 26th-27th. What the Ravens do in FA effects their draft. After the first 10 days to 2 weeks of free agency, then I'm ready to go all out on the draft.....anyway that works for me. Of course Browns fans have their own schedule...mock drafts beginning in October.... Anyway...the draft and this draft is huge. Look what last years brought to the Ravens! Another draft like that and we are set for a good while. Let's take an inside look at the ExtremeRavens Draft Experts War Room....

This week I watched the Ravens Cowboys and the Ravens Browns game (@ Leaveland) and Bart jumped out at me. He was making plays and having solid games. With all the "Bart is the odd man out" talk on retaining him, Suggs and Ray, I thought somebody should make a case about retaining Bart Scott. Bart is 5 years younger than Ray with a lot less mileage. I was pleased to see he stayed quiet most of the season and let his play do the talking. I'm sure part of that is Harbaughs influence and part is maturity. On the field he's remained intense and intimidating. Bart won't back down or hesitate from anything. He has decent covering skills and played selflessly in Ray's shadow by doing a lot of the dirty work such as taking on blockers to free up Ray. He wants to be here...hell... he took less money to stay here than go to Cleveland. He'll be more Cap friendly to retain than Ray who could break down at any time IMO. That day is not too far off. Remember McNair...1st game of the 2007 season and he was never the same. McCrary got a big/final contract I believe in 2001 or 2 and then his knees totally went south. Lightning does strike twice at that age in the NFL. Bart definately is a Raven according to Harbaughs definition. An 'undrafted free agent walk on' who just wouldn't be denied. He's got heart. For now he could pair up with Gooden or Griesen in the middle. Bart is an experienced vet. He knows the defense and could be a big help in the leadership role. He's no Ray Lewis as far as leadership goes, but there are other ways to take command and Bart can do that. If it's just cold hard logic on the "Who to keep at linebacker?" debate, than my logic.... says keep Bart and let Ray go. Yet business comes into this too. Ray has been the face, heart and soul of this franchise. Ray has given every ounce he's got and then some. Ozzie has retained all the Ravens who give like this to the franchise...call them 'Ozzies Ravens.' Loyalty like that is attractive to players. It entices FA's to want to be here. It makes Ravens players want to stay here. You cannot replace Ray's passion for the game. You cannot replace how well Ray studies an opponent and knows exactly what the opponent will do. That translates into him being the perfect general on the field in a complex defense. Ray is a "once in a lifetime" find. He's in another stratosphere. Ray is the standard and the rest fall short. Yet when I handicap Ray by considering his age, mileage, and soon to diminish physical skills, then I can see Bart as being a solid retention...not a replacement for Ray...but the linebacking interior will still get the job done near to it's present standard. I'm looking down a short road...say the next 3 years. I can see Bart playing, being a solid, consistent producer. I can't see Ray. I wish I could. Then again, I can't see him in another uniform. As a fan I do not want to lose him and what he brings. He has had the most extroardinary career..an absolute joy to watch. Finally, there is the big picture to consider. What is the best for everyone involved for the long term good of the team and franchise? Not for one individual...but for all. It's a team sport. There are 52 other men who contribute and have earned the right to be financially compensated under the CAP. They are Ravens too. This is a tough off season of business considerations because the Ravens organization has drafted and developed talent very well. The price for that is not being able to retain their investments under the present Salery Cap situation.