SpearSrai
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IMO, having a young WR with the talent of Bryant to grow alongside Flacco and potentially form a Manning/Wayne type relationship is rare. When you have the opportunity to obtain it, I just don't understand how you don't do it. I still feel like we have one of the best front offices in the biz, but we really shit the bed regarding this particular situation IMO.
You do realize that there are still talented, star WR's available, right? There's no guarantee that Bryant will be a better pro than Benn or Tate, one of whom will probably still be there for us with the #11 pick.
Not to mention Shipley, Gilyard, LaFell, Briscoe, D. Williams, E. Decker... and then Mitchell from USF, Roberts from Citadel, Riley Cooper from UF, Jacoby Ford, Price from Ohio...
There's a ton of WR depth in this draft. Forget "getting Boldin for free"... we could take 3 guys from the above list just for the picks we got for trading down, and that's not even including the 5th rounder we would have given up to grab Bryant. So would you rather have 4 of those receivers, or one Dez Bryant? (I'm just offering a value-comparison...in no way am I suggesting we will take multiple receivers with our picks)
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And don't forget... there are still several players available who you would have been okay with us taking at #25. When you see what quality of player is available at #70 (our 'free' pick), you'll be whistling a different tune.
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Cody...Benn...Tate...Dunlap...Griffin...Kindle... these are guys I could get excited about at #11 in the Raven's first round.
I'm just looking at it like we have two first round picks in a very shallow draft.
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9ers got him for a 5th
Good deal for the 9ers. We spent a 3rd on Yamon Figurs...
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If you are being sarcatic, that is funny! if not.....I am tired of sexual related indiscretions being blamed on disease....
Not disease; alien wizards.
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Now here is the question I have not heard asked. Everyone acknowledges that Ben was in the womens bathroom. Isn't that illeagle? I would think I would be arrested if I rolled into the womens room at some bar.
In Pittsburgh, the women's bathroom is a perfectly acceptable venue to pick up chicks.
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That should be an interesting quarterback competition... they can play catch from opposite endzones.
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I don't care how drunk she was. She was saying no if this is true. Ben will do something stupid. People with this kind of sex aggression can't help themselves.
And at the very least, the face of an NFL franchise was having sex with coeds in the bathroom of a club. Rape or no rape, that should be bad enough. Super-bowl-winning NFL quarterbacks shouldn't have to resort to stuff like that, anyway.
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You know, I was thinking about those blocked kicks and wondering about his athleticism. He sure looked athletic enough getting through the line and getting up to block the kick. Could he do that when pass rushing is the question?
Was he ever asked to do that at Bama? Perhaps his role was to just take up 2 blockers all the time and allow other pass rushers 1 on 1 matchups. If he is blocked 1 on 1 in the pros will he be able to defeat the block and collapse the pocket. If the answer is yes then he is worth the risk.
As far as his athleticism, one scout allegedly said that Cody could dunk a basketball when he first came onto campus at 370 lbs. And Cody claims that he can do a backflip, though I haven't personally seen the video of that yet (I've seen the JPP one though).
Here's something to look at... Albert Haynesworth is 6'6, 350. At Tennessee, he had "66 tackles, five sacks, 31 quarterback pressures, 20 tackles for a loss and nine pass deflections during his career", before being drafted #15 overall by the Titans. As a Junior (his final year at UT) he had 36 tackles (15.5 TFL) and 1.5 sacks. And clearly Haynesworth is a great pass-rusher in the NFL.
The fact that Cody got through the line to block several field goals tells me that he's a tough guy to block in pressure situations, and we already have another one of those. If we can create a Goose/Adams situation again for the next few years, we'll have a good shot on defense.
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Now obviously they are going to pick the one they want and pay him and let the other one go, but that decision can be delayed for another 4 years in which time we can hopefully develop a RT.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say the "one they want" is going to be Michael Oher. Just a hunch.
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That wouldn't interest Miami whatsoever. They have a ton of solid (not #1) receivers. Ginn is the only one who sticks out, both because of his notoriety and his speed; Miami's receivers are possession types, by and large.
So let me get this straight...you're saying that Mark Clayton isn't a #1 receiver?
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He said he will not play there.
Who did he say this to?
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I would agree with you if Gregg had proven he can rush the passer on 3rd downs and Pryce hadn't lost his ability to rush (he is still an ample run-stuffer in my opinion). However, those two are guys who should be in on 1st and 2nd and coming out of the game on 3rd so I'm not sure that solves the problem. Cody is certainly as dominant as they come, no question.
Maybe Cody could rush the passer on third down, then? I know it's not what he's known for, but he did knife through the line on a couple of kicks... throw Ngata, Cody, and Redding on the line, and I bet you get pressure with a 3-man rush.
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I would be all for grabbing Cody but I still think Gregg and Pryce have a couple years left, so we don't need another massive body we just need some speed.
That actually adds to Cody's value, because his biggest knock is his stamina. If not for the fact that he's only going to play 50-70% of your defensive plays, his value would probably be closer to the top of the round. We have the perfect system him, because we always rotate linemen anyway.
As a Gator, I can tell you how dominant Cody really was in the SEC trenches. The reason his production isn't higher is because he is always the focus of the opposing offensive strategy. And Rolando McClain owes Cody and the Alabama d-line several million dollars for eating up all of the blockers so McClain could run sideline to sideline. McClain has a very 'long' build, and would probably have been blocked out of a lot of plays otherwise.
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I'm torn on this. He could be a boost to our ST, he has some big play potential. As an OSU fan, I knew in college he wasn't a #1 wr in nfl.... his route running is poor and is too soft. But he could help us stretch the field. I wouldn't give more than a 5th for him, which I don't think would be enough for Miami to unload him. I would trade Mark Clayton or Dwill straight up for him.
Whats everyone else think?
We took a flier on Stallworth because he stretches the field, and Ginn can take a return to the house "whenever he touches the ball"... It seems like a 4th would be a good value for him (I realize we don't have one), and a 5th might be a "steal" (except that Santonio Holmes just went for a 5th). If you get the guy to extend, though, what are you paying him? You can't pay him like a top receiver, and return-specialists traditionally don't earn a lot. Look how much Cribbs got put through to get a deal in Cleveland...
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Terrence Cody is starting to grow on me. I do want a corner or DE, but having a guy like Cody next to Ngata (and Redding/Pryce) would be pretty impressive. You can't double all of them, and Ray would be free to roam like he did 10 years ago. Yeah, we'd have to find a way to stop the pass, but the run would be a complete nonfactor.
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No we shouldn't move Oher to the left because we have Gaither and if Gaither gets his contract he will be paid as a LT. Oher is on a rookie contract that is favourable in value. In 4 years he will be looking to get paid like a LT. Then you have the problem of choosing between Gaither and Oher. Likelihood is you can only afford 1 of them.
Money will be a factor then but it isn't now. Fact is Gaither is the better LT now and I would like to see it remain that way.
It still kind've sounds like you're saying we should base a football decision on who is making more money. Why can't Gaither be the RT?
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Sources are saying that the Dolphins are looking to move Ginn sometime between now and draft-day. Ginn was one of the most highly-touted prospects coming into the draft, and it's actually debatable whether he or Brady Quinn have had the least successful careers thus far. I guess you have to say Ginn has produced more, since Quinn couldn't even stay in the lineup for long, but the fact remains that the Dolphins don't feel that Cam Cameron's first (and only) first-round draft pick has panned out.
So, just for the sake of argument... any interest here? The guy can get downfield, but can't catch. He's a somewhat explosive returner at times, so for the right price, maybe he's worth a gamble. I don't know what Cam thought of Ginn when he left Miami, but he obviously saw something in him at one point.
Nothing will come of it, but it's worth a discussion.
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Morning marijuana and midnight rape.
And in related news... we HAVE to be the most controversial division in the NFL, and the latest Steelers fiascos only sealed the deal.
The Browns, always late to the party, blessed us with Shaun Rogers' airport assault a few weeks back, and it's no secret that us and the Bengals have our share of "controversial" players in the mix. These two knuckleheads from Steel-town are only carrying on the AFC North tradition. And as far as the Jets go, they can thank Rex for bringing a little AFC North to the Big Apple.
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I've heard that Brian Billick is a pretty persuasive guy
Anyways, I think it is pretty obvious Ozzie learned his lesson on that one. He even went as far as saying he "messed up" by not drafting Boldin because of poor workout numbers. This is where I believe Ozzie has progressed as a GM, he knows how to find football players.Yeah, well, in that same draft we took a guy who had a terrible pro day (Suggs) before we came back up for Boller. And we would have sprang on Leftwich if Jacksonville didn't, and he was a guy who had tremendous production in his career. So no matter what, we were losing out in that one. And Suggs still hasn't lived up to his potential (solid-but-inconsistent so far)
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Ozzie is not the type to fall for a workout warrior.
So you agree that Ozzie didn't want to draft Kyle Boller?
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I hope they talked about looking for guys who "play like Ravens" in the draft.
And on a side note... what would "partying like a Steeler" entail?
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That is the offense G-Tech ran, a triple-option, flexbone offense. Thomas either blocked, used his speed to run downfield off of the option, or caught a screen and used his size to get YAC. It is not Thomas's fault that Paul Johnson used Thomas's talent to help put the team in the best position to win. It has only won G-Tech an ACC Championship and tie for a divisional title the past two seasons, respectively. Thomas might be raw at route running, but what he does well, he does very well. And that is use his size and speed to get downfield to make a play on the ball deep, and to use his athleticism and aggressiveness in the redzone. There is certainly a niche for that type of player on this team.
Here is the thing, if we drafted Thomas I would see him as a Robert Meachem-type pick for us. We already have a receiving core in place so there would be no pressure for Thomas to be "the man." If he came here we would mainly use him in situations where his talents are best used. G-Tech ran the ball a lot, we run the ball a lot, the guy is used to blocking and working off of the playaction. Have him in there in running situations, then send him deep on the play action. We would also use him in redzone situations. This is exactly how he was used at G-Tech. We don't need this guy reading defenses and running routes he is not comfortable with his first year. Utilize his best talents while he learns from Mason and Boldin in practice to develop into a complete receiver. We would be an ideal fit for Thomas.
So in 3-4 years time, is Thomas still playing the deep-threat/redzone role, or is he eventually developing into a #1 receiver? Because that's the guy we're trying to find... a #1 receiver for Flacco to develop with. A downfield threat would be great, but I'd also like to know that we're looking at a potential franchise guy as well. (Compare this to Gresham, who would be a great downfield/redzone weapon, but also would be able to put pressure on the defense in other ways as well)
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Fact is, Oher is great on the right, not so great on the left (yet). Might as well keep it that way until his pay day comes in 4 years time.
So we shouldn't move Oher to the left because we're not paying him enough?
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To take this point one step further, the draft-value chart hasn't worked for the past 10 years. Jimmy Johnson invented it back when nobody had any idea what type of value to assign to picks, and guys like Belichick, Pioli, Ozzie, and other top GM's have been taking advantage of teams that use that chart ever since.
Wait, you what? ...