deeshopper Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 LOL! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 6, 2014 Author Share Posted April 6, 2014 (edited) Crav... no one disagrees that it's rude. But the point here is that it's not an offense or a rudeness worth being shot over. And yet, in Florida, people ARE getting shot over it. So, your "oh, they'd have to think twice" is resulting in exactly the opposite... Instead of thinking twice, people who are angry are able to quickly and WITHOUT THINKING fire at people they find "rude." Seriously, I can't tell if you think we're just talking hypotheticals or if you're just that dense. But there's a 16 year old dead for playing his music too loud at a gas station ... and in Florida all the guy had to do was say, "It made me afraid." Who in that case "should have thought twice?" There's a guy in Florida dead because the guy behind him was mad about his texting - during the previews, just to clarify. Once again, who there should have thought twice? Because in that case, the old man didn't think twice, he just fired. But sure, give everyone a gun and it will certainly reduce our likelihood of committing crimes. Instead, it will make us all much quicker to shoot. People talk about arming teachers to prevent school shootings. Absurd. Schools see teachers throw chairs and curse out students on a regular basis - and students do much worse of course. What happens if there's a gun in those situations? #1 reason I'm not moving to Florida -- Crav is there and seems pretty clear he'd acquit my killer because "I should've thought twice" before bumping into someone in the men's room. It's taken me two years to comprehend this thinking, you better know what you are doing, every stupid move you make has a consequence, I have no problem living in a right to carry state. And yes I agree the dude that shot the kid for music overstepped, I would have walked over and asked the kid wtf? But the old man Gets hi 5s all around. Edited April 6, 2014 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted April 6, 2014 Share Posted April 6, 2014 I don't necessarily have a problem with right to carry. I don't think it's bright, but I don't know that it's any worse than what we have now. I do have a problem with "Stand Your Ground" - which is really called "no requirement to retreat" - because it outright justifies aggressive behavior instead of acknowledging and requiring that, even if the other person is being rude, you do not just get to be equally rude back. We all talked about this re: George Zimmerman last summer. Self defense should be an affirmative defense. You should have to prove you were in danger and that there were no viable means to do other that attack. You should also have to prove the aggressive actions of the other party. (Maybe Zimmerman did that). But Stand Your Ground says much the opposite, you don't have to retreat, you don't have to consider other options and you don't have to actually be in harm you just have to "feel" the possibility of harm to justify becoming an aggressor. Carry a gun, fine. But use a gun and be ready to explain yourself and face the consequences. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 It's taken me two years to comprehend this thinking, you better know But the old man Gets hi 5s all around.Just, wow. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrow Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 hope that old man gets shotjust becausehe puts someone in fear for their safety "No your Honor, The old man is Bat Shit Crazy and I feared for my safety." Oh, he just had the shits?Well when he barged into the restroom and there was only one square left on the roll...... Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 Just, wow.Why the wow? People are fed up, they go out to have a good time not worry about some punks that want to rob the place. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 (edited) Here's an article it happened Friday morning at your casino, I guarantee he would of been shot if it happened in florida. http://touch.baltimoresun.com/#section/822/article/p2p-79836671/?related=true Edited April 7, 2014 by cravnravn Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 Why the wow? People are fed up, they go out to have a good time not worry about some punks that want to rob the place. What are you talking about? You know full well, why the wow. Old man gets a high five for shooting a kid because he's playing loud music. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 7, 2014 Author Share Posted April 7, 2014 I was talking. About the internet cafe old man, I clearly stated that the loud music old man overstepped the boundary Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted April 7, 2014 Share Posted April 7, 2014 ... so there are no robberies in Florida? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 ... so there are no robberies in Florida?Yes there are, but the robber better be aware that there's a chance that his victim might fire back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrow Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 florida has the most deaths of any state Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Yes there are, but the robber better be aware that there's a chance that his victim might fire back. But you're so confident the guy in MD would've been shot in FL... except... when those robbers aren't shot. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldcrow Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 sharks use stand your ground law on two surfers in new Smyrna these punk ass surfers just jumped right into our swimming area splashing and kicking making noise Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 sharks use stand your ground law on two surfers in new Smyrna these punk ass surfers just jumped right into our swimming area splashing and kicking making noiseYup for some unknown reason these surfers insist on surfing down by the inlet, that is a known fact that is where the majority of the bites happen. Surfing in florida meh I don't get it, I wouldn't get out the boogie board, waves are tiny compared to ocean city waves Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 But you're so confident the guy in MD would've been shot in FL... except... when those robbers aren't shot.50-50 chance right? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Unless the robbers aren't, and the criminal is the one who actually does the shooting. Because, you know, shoot first, make excuse later. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Don't make excuse for the robbers now, their intent was to break the law, Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 Don't make excuse for the robbers now, their intent was to break the law, How is my statement making an excuse for anyone? Person A walks by, knocks on door, runs to cops for help and Persons B-Z shoot Person A. This happens! In what universe is Person A automatically a criminal? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 What the neck scenario is this!!!!! Mine are factual Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Now back on topic, 8 days is all it took to get my itty bitty gift card thru TurboTax, not bad at all Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 What the neck scenario is this!!!!! Mine are factual So are mine. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 Lol Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted April 8, 2014 Share Posted April 8, 2014 I guess that's an answer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted April 8, 2014 Author Share Posted April 8, 2014 I guess that's an answer.No, I never had algebra in high school, so I don't get your scenario Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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