TBird Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 A lot of fans want to off him but his CAP hit would be around $8.5M indead money. He proved in POs we still need him and he'll give usmore depth to make another SB run. Team can focus on WR and secondary help in the draft to complete the roster. http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-Haloti-Ngata-Negotiations-Are-Delicate-But-New-Deal-Is-Possible/79a16f25-e038-4cc1-b000-041f048a3dd3 Quote
RavenMad Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Not at a $16m cap number they don't. He is one boneheaded move away from a full season suspension and he's getting old so I don't believe he should get an extension. That leaves being cut or traded. The $8m cap savings can be spent on other areas of the team. Quote
tsylvester Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 No, they do not need him. There is plenty of young, talented depth, as shown in the games last year, including the four games he missed. The player they need is McPhee, not Ngata. Quote
thundercleetz Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 We don't need Ngata but he looked good after coming off of suspension. If we can get him to restructure, Ngata would be extremely effective playing a reduced amount of snaps keeping him fresh. He breaks down easily but I think he still has great value as a part time player. We have the young depth upfront to go with this strategy. Quote
oldno82 Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 Ngata is not a necessity. We've got reserves ready to step in and as has been pointed out, at 31 years old that's a ridiculous number for any DT (16 mil). If they can't lower his cap value to about half that they need to make a trade to some team that's flush with cap room. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted February 16, 2015 Posted February 16, 2015 A team doesn't need to be really that flush with cap space. They only need $8 mil and change of space since his bonus money will still apply to the Ravens. A team could be willing to take that. I think a 3rd would be reasonable in return. Quote
TBird Posted February 17, 2015 Author Posted February 17, 2015 We don't need Ngata but he looked good after coming off of suspension. If we can get him to restructure, Ngata would be extremely effective playing a reduced amount of snaps keeping him fresh. He breaks down easily but I think he still has great value as a part time player. We have the young depth upfront to go with this strategy.That was one of my points. He is currently re-negotiating now according to theRavens site and they're of course delicate as the site said. So we keep him at a reduced rate and McPhee could go the way of Ellerbe soit would be a double bogie to lose Ngata and McPhee. Journigan was playing and giving him a rest all season but when Journiganwent down, Ngata stepped up. We won in Piss in the trenches. Restructuring might help Ravens to keep both Ngata and McPhee. Quote
TBird Posted February 17, 2015 Author Posted February 17, 2015 And this is why we need Ngata pending his restructuring deal. Hisbest game was in Piss during the Wild Card game where he putgreat pressure on them. These grades from Film Study. Haloti Ngata2014 Role: Rotational NT/DT/DE (594 snaps, 51.2%). Despite the 4-game suspension, he still led the Ravens linemen in defensive snaps played (Williams was second at 585). The other available linemen can do a piece of what he can, but Ngata remains the Ravens’ only true 3-down down lineman.What was there to like about his season? When active, he played well. PFF pegged him with just 1 missed tackle all season.When did he play best? He generated good pressure at Pittsburgh in the Wild Card game.When did he play poorly? After a key 4th-and-1, goalline stop (Q1, 12:28), he was ineffective versus the Saints and committed a costly roughing the passer penalty to give the Saints a 3rd-down conversion that led to a FG. It’s pretty cool when a player still has a huge game in his worst game of the season.What was his signature play of 2014? With the Ravens leading 26-6 in the week 2 game versus Pittsburgh in Baltimore, Ngata tipped Roethlisberger’s pass then moved far to his right for a diving interception. It reminded me of his interception at Houston in 2008 and I cannot recall an interior lineman ever making a more acrobatic play.What does he need to do better? Stay on the field and be flexible in contract restructuring.Grades: Play B+, Value C, Developmental C-. His play on the field improved, but Ngata set himself back with the PED violation and that will cost him millions in career earnings. The reaction of both he and his teammates to the event is a model for such incidents, however. When Haloti returned for the playoffs he played as if he never left. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 http://russellstreetreport.com/2015/02/26/lombardis-way/ravens-ngata-close/ The first glaring mistake here is that Haloti Ngata is not a free agent – not a UFA. Given Werder’s reputation as solid information guy that suggest the tweet may have been rushed in order to be out there in the Twitterverse prior to the State of the Ravens presser.Maybe it’s gamesmanship on the part of the Ravens to pressure Ngata into accepting the offer, perhaps influenced by the court of public opinion.A source close to RSR and with knowledge of the Ngata contract discussion, speaking under the condition of anonymity, has informed us that the two sides are far apart at the moment. If the Ravens don’t improve the offer a stalemate may ensue and it would force the Ravens to part ways with the highly decorated defensive lineman.Team owner Steve Bisciotti when asked about Ngata’s contract status on Tuesday, may have provided hints that an impasse could happen.“I think that’s a little more in Ozzie’s [hands]. But, yes. You go back to [Terrell] Suggs, we were able to successfully do that, which doesn’t guarantee that he retires as a Raven, but it certainly guaranteed that we would play him well into his 30s. We were successful with Ray [Lewis]; we were unsuccessful with Ed [Reed]. I put Haloti [Ngata] in that group of iconic players that helped us to get where we are as a franchise.Again, that’s Ozzie job to negotiate the nuances of those contracts that allow us to get some cap relief and give Haloti a chance to stay here. Twenty-eight teams don’t have Royal Farms stores in their area, so there is some incentive for him to want to stay here to close things out.”The side dealing from a position of leverage is the Ravens. They have young talent that can pick up the slack should Ngata depart and that was proven during the four-game stretch to close the regular season when the Ravens yielded only 60 points, going (3-1) while holding opponents to 377 total net rushing yards and sacking opponents 18 times.Of course the Ravens d-line rotations would be better with Ngata around but if Ozzie Newsome can find a much less expensive free agent or another rookie who can perform above the level of his contract (as Ozzie has done so often), then the rotations might not suffer measurably and the team would have $8.5M in freed up cap space.Word is Ngata isn’t afraid to leave Baltimore, despite the anticipated loss of his Royal Farms endorsement dollars. With cap room and a need for someone like Ngata, plus the shared affection with Colts head coach Chuck Pagano who is still stinging from his team being steamrolled by LeGarrette Blount, Indianapolis could be a nice fit for Haloti. Quote
oldno82 Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 If they really are far apart then cut him or trade him to Pags (and get more than a 6th round pick like we got for Q). Given the apparent lack of desire to really be here, which started with last year's contract extension negotiations, I don't think Ngata is going to remain a Raven. Fortunately, the D-line is solid even without him. Sure it'd be better if he was around but not that much better. Plus, how much does he have left at his age? And if he goes, the Ravens get an additional 8 million in cap space. The guy they really have to re-sign is Owen Daniels. He wants to be here, he's a contributor and play maker and dependable. Doesn't have many years left but we have desperate need of all the TE's we can get. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 Ozzie doesn't have a history making trades like this. I just expect him to be cut if they don't get it redone. With Daniels I am not sure when he will have nothing left. He had some issues last yr. Quote
oldno82 Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 If he's cut and signs with another team do we get a comp pick? Quote
papasmurfbell Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 No. The Ravens just get nothing. Quote
oldno82 Posted February 26, 2015 Posted February 26, 2015 No. The Ravens just get nothing.Except $8.5 million in cap space. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted February 27, 2015 Posted February 27, 2015 Obviously space. They get the space trade or cut. So obviously a trade is the best option. Quote
TBird Posted February 27, 2015 Author Posted February 27, 2015 At this point it looks like he either restructures or is cut. Forsett and Daniels are old. That's why I'd love MaxxWilliams in the first or Clive Walford if we could get himin the 2d. Oz would have to trade up like he didwith A. Brown. We'd look pretty young and solid withGilmore and either one of those two at TE. As for Tony Lombardi, his sources have been wrong beforeand he apologized each time. Quote
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