TBird Posted April 15, 2015 Author Posted April 15, 2015 When the father got real sick Rosey took care of him andgot him to sign the will over to him. He forced his siblingsout of the will and the business. He expanded their productline to denim pants and took off. He was a ruthless businessman crushing all opposition. He's from Baltimore and went to City College but said he willteach Baltimore a lesson when he didn't get a new stadiumand he did. He was a real prick. He even cut his son out of the will or at leas the team andnow Georgia's kids have all that money plus $1b from sellingthe team and they still have the original SB 5 trophy. Quote
oldno82 Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Yep, having the Colts here from the 50s-70 was the high times of the franchise. We had three good teams under Irsay and a lot of heartache. Quote
oldno82 Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Just read this and remembered Marchibroda was pushing hard for Phillips but Ozzie had final say: http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/eye-on-football/25147977/former-rams-rb-lawrence-phillips-suspected-of-killing-prison-cellmate Quote
cravnravn Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 Yep, having the Colts here from the 50s-70 was the high times of the franchise. We had three good teams under Irsay and a lot of heartache.I still recall my dads bumper sticker on his Buick, Don't Tampa with our Colts, it was right after that drunk fukker got back from shopping our team around..I so wanted to piss on his grave when I went to the Ravens game in 2008 in Indy.. Quote
TBird Posted April 15, 2015 Author Posted April 15, 2015 I still recall my dads bumper sticker on his Buick, Don't Tampa with our Colts, it was right after that drunk fukker got back from shopping our team around..I so wanted to piss on his grave when I went to the Ravens game in 2008 in Indy..I actually went to the cemetry to piss on it but there were copsall over the place. It was funny but you see all these signs as soon asyou drive into the park saying rewards will be given for info on vandalism.Seems like a lot of people from baltimore have done their business onthat grave so now the cops guard it every time the Ravens come to town.It's the most heavily guarded grave site in the country. ILMAO. When we were there a guy was standing over the grave next to Irsay'spretending to be mourning but if you looked close enough you could seethe tip of his gun sticking below his coat. There was a car on top of thehill next to his grave and another one below it. He lies on top of a hill over looking the slums of Indy, a very appropriateplace. All the houses across the street are boarded up. It's a famouscemetry with former Presidents buried there. We saw all the parked cars and never got out of ours. Guys reallylaughed at that story on Tony's board but got pissed off when someoneactually pissed on MOdell's grave here.It was OK for us to do it inIndy but not for someone from Cleve to do it here. Damn hypocrites. Drew from 1570 posted on the board and scolded us there and on the radioeven mentioning our names on the air as guys who desecrated Irsay'sgrave. What a prick. Quote
TBird Posted April 15, 2015 Author Posted April 15, 2015 Irsay had nothing to do with hose bumper stickers - DON'T TAMPA WITHOUR COLTS. Rosey was still here and started shopping the club around.Irsay got the idea from him. Rosey played an exhibition game in Tampa vs the Squeelers. That was thegame Bubba ruined his knee. Rick Volk intercepted a Bradshaw passas Bubba became his blocker. He ran to the side lines where the chaingang was. The guy was so petrified when he saw the 6'8 250 Bubba comingat him he froze and didn't move out of the way in time. Bubba got hisknee twisted up in the chains and was never the same again. Joe Thomaslet him go when he became the GM and Bubba ended up in OAK. It wasthere in California that he was discovered playing next to the guy with thebeard who made some movies and Bubba was casted as Hightower in allthe Police Academy movies and made a few others. So anyway, after that game was played in Tampa, all these bumper stickersappeared all over town saying DON'T TAMPA WITH OUR COLTS. I gota couple for my dad's car and mine. Rosey even tried to get expansion going so he could move there but Peteand the owners didn't want to expand. Quote
vmax Posted April 15, 2015 Posted April 15, 2015 This thread is turning into a really good book.Keep it up TBird. Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 Thanks, man. The guys on the other board say I should write abook. All the Nests got emails from Barry Levinson's movie THEBAND THAT WOULDN'T DIE. You can still see it on HBO onDEMAND if you get Comcast. Barry wanted old timers on the showrelating their old Colts memories. I was going on but had an accidentand couldn' walk for 6 months. I was in the hospital when they filmeit and couldn't go. Damn shame. I've been extras in the moviesREPLACEMENTS, THE WIRE AND HOUSE OF CARDS but missedBarry's movie. Damn shame again. That whole Tampa thing figured into the Colts moving. It all reallystarted the minute the Colts lost SB 3. We lost Shula, then the teamgets shopped around and we lose it - one bad thing after another sothe old timers like myself really cherish these days with the Ravensand a saint like Bisciotti. I'd kill anyone for him or at least Id breaktheir legs for him-lol. Back to Tampa, after Pete said Rosey couldn't move there the NFLfinally had expansion and he remembered that game and gave thema team. Hugh Culverhouse became the owner. He was the guywho set Rosey up with Irsay and Joe Thomas who knew all of them. Culverhouse was the tax atty who suggested trading the Colts to LA tosave Rosey millions in capital gains taxes. Irsay was the sucker he found willing to trade the 2d largest market for the 25th largest in what's been called the worse trade since Babe Ruth-lol. Irsayalways maintained the Colts were the team he wanted. That's whywe never got the name back. It was so important to the family afterall the shit it endured for trading the markets to begin with -lol. Since Pete knew about the Culverhouse deal and he knew JoeThomas who built Shula's Dolphins before he got there, he gaveCulverhouse the expansion team. Joe Thomas and Irsay got theColts and Rosey got the LA market. He moved from there too or hisbitch did. Thomas became the Colts GM as a finder's fee if you willand promptly shipped Unitas and all the stars out as house cleaning.I heard one story the Irsay walked up to John and said hi on the sidelines and Unitas said who the hell are you. Next thing he knows hewas shipped out to San Diego. Then during his first meeting withthe team he introduced himself as a former Marine which was a biglie and Tom Matte turned to someone and said how did an ass likethis make enough money to buy a football team. Then Matte isshipped out to San Diego then John Mackey or anyone that bitchedwhich was just about everyone-lol. Shula told Bob Costas that he became disfavored with the owner afterthe SB3 loss and the next thing I know I'm in Miami and the Colts areplaying exhibition games in Tampa and Irsay gets them in a trade andan expansion team is given to Tampa. It all comes back to Baltimore and SB 3.' Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 No one knows why Tags hated Baltimore so much and riggedthe expansion derby vs us. The official version was, it was DCsterritory but with Tags it was something else, something personal.He even screwed his daughter and grand sons who lived here. Hestill comes into town to visit them and brings a lot of NFL stuff likehelmets and jerseys for their schools to auction off but he always comes at night under the cover of darkness. It's always low key sono one knows he's here. He heard about the General who was killedmarching up North Point Rd during the War of 1812 to burn Bmoreto the ground. He laughed at the 5th regiment whom he ran over inBladensburgh on the way to burning DC to the ground. Well, twoteenage snipers from Dundalk got him. That's why DC hate Bmoreso much. The British burned their town while they never got pastDundalk trying to burn Bmore but in their defense they were outnumberedby about 5,000 British troops. By the time they got here, thousands from allover the East volunteered to help out and the trenches were so deepand long at Patterson Park the British army simply withdrew. Even Butler the Butcher of the Civil War whom Lincolnsent to camp out on Federal Hill and set up his big guns there rodein at night. He heard about the General getting sniped. All our enemiescome in at night. Tags was the one who said Bmore should spend itsmoney on a museum instead of a stadium. Some of us wanted to namethe new stadium The Museum. The best reason I read for hating Bmore came from Dennis Hand in his book THEGREAT FOOTBALL WARS, must reading for all Baltimore fans.He said that Tags was the lead atty vs the old USFL when they suedthe NFL over monopoly charges and Baltimore Stars were one of theteams. Hell, they were so good, they could have beaten the lowerhalf of the NFL teams so after a few drafts we would have been apower house. They had cool unis to and Mora was the coach and wouldlater coach the Colts in Indy. So Tags won the case for the NFL. Actually, he lost. The jury ruled infavor of the USFL but only for $1 which the judge raised to $3. Theleague was bankrupted. Pete made Tags his assistant who broughthis assistant along, someone named Goodell. When Pete retired, Tagsgot the job but not w/o a fight. The old guard consisting of the Rooneys, Maras of NY and Modell wantedtheir man Jim Finks, an old timer from Lombardi's staff who was then GMof the Saints. There were a bunch of new owners in the league led byold time mavericks Al Davis and Bob Irsay that wanted Tags. They didn't like getting pushed around by the old guard. Finally they won andTags got the job. He was old school too working in the office for thecomish. Everyone knew him. Finks died anyway a few years later ofcancer. Finks also had a link to Bmore when he was an assistant on Lombardi'sstaff. He was up in the press box in 65 when Unitas went down and GaryQuozzo was the backup. He noticed Gary favoring his arm and keptyelling down to Vince to hit the QB in the arm. He kept yelling hit the qbhit the qb. They did and knocked him out too and a second string RBbehind Lenny Moore came in as the instant QB - Tom Matte. Severalyears later when Shula was fired Finks name came up for coach butRosey remembered him yelling down to Vince to keep hitting his QBin the arm. There was no way Rosey was going to hire that prick. Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 The league didn't want to expand but the Nations Bank, nowBank of America reminded them of their obligation to put a teamin Charlotte where the bank was headquartered. It lent the moneyto the NFL to field replacement teams if there was a strike whichthere was and the replacement teams broke the union's back. That'swhy football players still get screwed not having guaranteed contracts while baseball players do. Players make a lot more thanthe guys in the 80s but any one can get cut or traded like Boldinand Ngata if they don't restructure. Theres' none of that in baseball. So they expanded and Tags rigged the derby vs Baltimore and Handthinks it's because we sued the NFL once before. Charlotte got the first team of course and JAX which is rumored to beheading to LA got the second team. They even dropped out of thederby because they couldn't match Bmore's package of a public fundedstadium. They're still playing in the ancient Gator Bowl now and coverthousands of empty seats every game so they won't look empty on TV. LOL So Tags travels down there and begged then to come back in the derbyor he would have to give the ball to Baltimore. That's when they knew theyhad the second team. They couldn't believe it. Baltimore figured in JAX too because Irsay shopped the Colts there and theyflew him into the stadium and landed him on mid field in a chopper. He gotout and 60,000 fans went nuts cheering him. He looked like Stalin witheveryone applauding him and they were afraid to stop or Stalin wouldshoot them. True. So Hand thinks Tag wanted revenge for Bmore trying to sue their way inand all the trouble we caused, but hey, that's how he got his job ascomish. He should have been kissing our asses and guaranteeing us ateam. When the teams were announced, Guv Schaeffer was on national TVcrying his eyes out like a baby in what we call the Saturday Night Massacre. He was so pathetic looking. Thats when the Rams saidyou will be hearing from us. They wanted that Baltimore package of a new stadium, free rent and all monies from parking and concessions butTags persuaded them to move to ST Louis but we made a bunch of'coffee mugs and stuff that said Baltimore Rams. I even have a T-shirtthat says Baltimore Cardinals when Bidwell came here but they chasedhim away too. Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 We finally got a new team when the new Guv Glendenning did in one month what Schaeffer couldn't do over a decade. Glenordered his new Stadium Authority Chief, John Moag, who succeeded Herb Belgrade to send letters to all NFL teams givingthem 30 days to claim the money or it was coming off the table and used for schools and hospitals. The new guv knew hecouldn't keep the money in place because it was raided by MikeMiller the Prick from Talbot County. The legislatures from theEastern Shore didn't care about a team or stadium in Bmore sothe guv had to act fast. Three teams jumped at the money - Cardinals, Bucs and of coursethe Browns. Moag wanted Art as an owner because he had a storiedfranchise and his TV deals made the NFL America's game. Art evencame up with Monday Night Football so he got the team. When asked who the GM was going to be and the name in his firstpresser he said I'm the GM and we're the Browns but Cleveland suedhim so he gave them the name, colors and history back to get out ofcourt and they put a new team there. Art then let the Sun hold a namecontest. He liked the Americans and so did Steadman and I. TheBombers were also a popular name but Mayor Smoked asked theNFL not to used that name after the Oaklahoma Bombing. It would have really been bad after the 911 bombing but it was still a coolname with the headlines, Baltimore bombs Wash-lol. The Sun brain washed the fans for the Ravens since Poes family isfrom Bmore and Poe spent some time here but 90% of Ravens fansnever read the famous poem. Ravens won by a land slide. Quote
cravnravn Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 Good stuff t-bird. That expansion process was really a joke, we got so shafted in that. Quote
thundercleetz Posted April 16, 2015 Posted April 16, 2015 This topic is an incredible read! I have no idea how you know all of this, but yes, you should definitely write a book, TBird! Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 Thanks, guys. That's what Herb Belgrad asked me, how do you knowall our business. He used to work out at Bally's in White Marsh and sometimes he broughtBoogie Weinglass in with him who would have probably been the ownerof the new franchise team. Tags didn't like him because he had a ponytail-lol. I was the only guy in the gym who knew who they were. I walked in thehot tub and they were sitting there. I was besides myself and thanked Herbfor all the work he did in trying to bring us a team. Boogie was Barry Levenson's best friend and featured in his mega hitmovie DINER. If you haven't seen it, get it. Boogie was played byMickey Roark who said when he checked into the Holiday Inn down townthere was a big murder in the hotel. A prostitute was waisted. Welcometo Baltimore-lol. I asked Boogie if the movie was true. He said well, we didn't live inFells Point where the movie was filmed. All the Jewish people lived inPark Heights or Liberty Heights in West Baltimore and he said I nevermade it north of Belvedere Ave. The movie has a scene where he's hittingon a chick riding a horse out in the horse country. I said there's whereI grew up - Belvedere Ave. I pissed Herb off though and told Boogie how he rented the room acrossthe hallway from where the owners met during the expansion process andcooked crab cakes and handed them out to the owners as they walked in.There was a lot of ass kissing going on. Boogie laughed his ass off. TomClancy was the other prospective owner and he sent autographed copiesof all his books to each owner that were delivered to their meetings. I asked Belgrad about Al Lerner sticking it to Art. He was ARt's bankerand Art owed him $200M which is why he came here to get the freerent and new stadium. Al told him to take the Bmore deal to pay off hisdebt. Then in the end Al got the new Browns franchise in Cleveland andArt was pissed. Al was there at the Saturday Night Massacre. He was another candidateto be an owner of the new franchise here. He was supposed to make apitch for Bmore at the meeting but never said a word. He went to themeeting, the voted and he skipped town really fast. It was like he set Art up and knew he was getting the team in Clevelandnot Baltimore. Herb said that's not true. Al is a friend of mine and he wouldn't do anythinglike that. I said you better let Art know about that because he's writing abook about it. Herb said how do you know so much about all our business. I said fromreading the news paper. Boogie laughed his ass off and said I want toparty with you but Herb was pissed off. Everthing I said was in the Sun,or the two books I mentioned plus the radio talk shows. The books are FROM COLTS TO RAVENS BY JOHN STEADMAN THE GREAT FOOTBALL WARS BY DENNIS HAND. You can get them on amazon.com It was funny. We had all these owners but no team-lol. Glazer was anotherguy who rode into town like he was the second coming to something. Nobodyhad ever heard of him but he wanted to own a team. He would have calledthem the Cobras but Tags didn't like him either, at least not in Bmore buthe was OK for Tampa. When Culverhouse died Glazer got the team there. He got it because Tagsflew to Florida to stop Bmore once again. Peter Angelos offered more moneyfor the Bucs than Glazer. The son wanted to sell for Petey for more moneybut the wife wanted to keep the team in Tampa and preferrred Glazer andless money. Tags introduced Glazer to the estate. The lawyers threatenedthe son by saying they will tie his inheritance up for years if he insisted onAngelos so he sold to Glazer. Once again Tags stopped Bmore from getting a team but can you see Petey as owner of the Os and Ravens. Glazer did win a SB with Gruden as coach but he was the most hated manin Southern Florida where he owned a lot of trailer parks and cheap apartmentsand kept raising the rent and throwing people out. The Miami Herald cameout with a Slum Lord report on him and how much he was hated. When he got the Bucs he said the buck stops here, not Baltimore. That wasa dig vs us because we didn't accept him. Hell, we already had two groups with Boogie and Clancy and Petey trying to bring a team here. Healso offered more money for the Rams and Georgia considered it beforebacking down but can you see Petey the owner of both the Ravens andOs. He, he completely destroyed the Os that were more storied andsuccessful than the Colts. Damn. Quote
TBird Posted April 16, 2015 Author Posted April 16, 2015 But Moag got even with Glazer who jumped for the money whenhe said he was going to take it off the table. Moag knew Glazer was using him to get a new stadium in Tampa but Glazer reallywanted to come here but Moag ordered his secretary not to takeany calls from him. Glazer was pissed when Art got the moneyinstead of him but he learned the buck does stop in Baltimore notTampa-lol. And it all started with that Colts exhibition game in Tampa. Art of course had to sell the team in the end. His debt kept rising becausethe interest rate alone was $25M and he made a late payment. He wasstill within the bank's guidelines but not the NFLs. Tags met with him tosell the team. It was bad for an owner to have so much debt and to misspayments. Enter Bisciotti who offered Art $300M up front and $300M later afterhe had time to learn the business. That allowed Art to pay off his debtand ease out while Bisciotti learned the business from him. Art got $600M for the team after paying $4M for it in the early60s. Art wasn't a bad business man after all and Bisciotti got allhis money back already at least in the team's value. It's nowworth $1.5B and rising. Quote
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