There it is

[papasmurfbell]

There it is.  I do not see any players on this team that will do this now.   Not a single 1.  Turdy has culled everybody with some backbone off.

[tsylvester]

Harbs won a Super Bowl went to the AFC championship game what 3 times. Yeah, bad coach

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Without the retirement tour there is no sb.  He had the post season acumen with those leaders.  It hasn’t been close since 2012.

[tsylvester]

You forget the loss to the Pats that should have been a win if Evans hangs on to the touchdown or a tie & over time if the field goal is made.

None of that Harbs's fault.

Flowers doesnt fumble, last year ends at the least in another Super Bowl appearence.

Look, I am not saying he is a great coach, just that if he wins another Super Bowl, he is in the hall even with his faults in game management.

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Evan’s was in the teams with leaders.  Don’t take turdy and hid bad game and time mang issues.  Yes Evan’s drop was an issue but it was 1 season and not on going.  
 

that fumble was far from the only issue last yr.  Lamar choking was the vast majority of the issue.

[tsylvester]

8 road playoff road wins, most in league History, though number 9 looks bleak

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I see road v home as meaning far less now than in eras past.

[tsylvester]

You do know the qbs and teams in the Harbs era, Brady, Manning, Roethleburger, etc.

Not an excuse, evidence of some great teams during his tenure.

Wins on the road are tough, you know that, you are being facetious, also finding a qb, a qb who can be the franchise is not easy. He, the team with him, found two in Flacco and Lamar.

The team failed Flacco by not building the line, finding difference makers at wide out, save for one magical season.

So what did they do? Draft Jackson and build and offense around him. That was Harbs

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I get who wa around.  You do recall the turdy nepo hiring program that had as many unqualified ppl in the coaching team as possible.  That is why Joe has a s ol.

[tsylvester]

Harbs has his short comings, but with whom do you replace him?

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Over the yrs I have wanted various ppl.  I would love Tomlin.  He would absolutely maximize the talent here.  I really like Lynn as well.

[tsylvester]

Tomlin has been a part of the process that has not been able to find a qb, has drafted problem receivers they have traded away each year for the past umpteenth years.

Yes, sure, okay

[papasmurfbell]

A bad gm and being to loyal to Ben put them in that spot.  Remember that ol where vinisuelia was a turnstile and the rest of the ol was not much better over there.  The gm made that.  There were a lot of draft misses for a long time over there.  None of that is on Tomlin.  But taking an on paper 4-5 win team and getting 8 or 9 wins is him.  They had no business being a double digit win team this yr.  They should not have made the playoffs.

[deeshopper]

lol. It's a no for me on Tomlin.

[tsylvester]

16 hours ago, papasmurfbell said:

A bad gm and being to loyal to Ben put them in that spot.  Remember that ol where vinisuelia was a turnstile and the rest of the ol was not much better over there.  The gm made that.  There were a lot of draft misses for a long time over there.  None of that is on Tomlin.  But taking an on paper 4-5 win team and getting 8 or 9 wins is him.  They had no business being a double digit win team this yr.  They should not have made the playoffs.

Not so fast my friend. Tomlin is not the type of coach to sit in a corner and just take what is given him. I am sure they all, Tomlin included said, yes, Mike can help Antonio Brown be a productive Steeler; opps.

They may have even said, let us try one more with Mike Wallace, ooops.

Did they stop drafting troubled receivers, thinking Tomlin could help them? No, they stiill have done it.

This is just proof that while he is a very good coach who knows how to win games against bad teams, he has not, NOT won anything with the teams he has been a part of drafting.

His Super Bowl win, a controversial win I might add, was done largely with players drafted & signed as free agents, before he was hired.

Andy Read was just like him when Reid was in Phili, 1 Super Bowl appearance, the rest one or two & done.

Then he goes to Kc, they get fortunate and have a chance to draft Mahomes. A qb who can run the same offense, Phili ran under Reid; eureka!

Yes, Ill take Harbs

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The issue was they kept Ben to long.  They kept talented but problematic wrs to prop up loser qbs.

[oldno82]

I would bet the house that Tomlin was the one most responsible for 'staying with Ben too long'. Tomlin has said that he 'hates' the idea of working with a drafted quarterback. He prefers veterans.

Tomlin is a good in-game coach but hasn't done much to improve his roster. He is a strong personality who's been around the Steelers for a long long time. He has the most power of any of the management staff to build a team.

The current state of the Steelers is on his shoulders as much as anyone else's.

 

[tsylvester]

19 minutes ago, papasmurfbell said:

The issue was they kept Ben to long.  They kept talented but problematic wrs to prop up loser qbs.

They drafted Mason Rudolph in the 3rd to replace Ben, claimed him to be the one... oops

They drafted Kenny Picket in the 1st, claiming he to be the one, oops

Both, with Tomlin's approval

 

Oh and I lost all respect for Tomlin when he stepped onto the field to slow down Jacoby Jones, then acted as if it was an accident

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6 hours ago, oldno82 said:

I would bet the house that Tomlin was the one most responsible for 'staying with Ben too long'. Tomlin has said that he 'hates' the idea of working with a drafted quarterback. He prefers veterans.

Tomlin is a good in-game coach but hasn't done much to improve his roster. He is a strong personality who's been around the Steelers for a long long time. He has the most power of any of the management staff to build a team.

The current state of the Steelers is on his shoulders as much as anyone else's.

 

I would bet Rooney was the most responsible.

 

6 hours ago, tsylvester said:

They drafted Mason Rudolph in the 3rd to replace Ben, claimed him to be the one... oops

They drafted Kenny Picket in the 1st, claiming he to be the one, oops

Both, with Tomlin's approval

 

Oh and I lost all respect for Tomlin when he stepped onto the field to slow down Jacoby Jones, then acted as if it was an accident

Picket I never liked.  But like so many franchises grasping to find their guy they grabbed early.  Not unlike zone and Rosen