Harbs, yes, it's time

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But phatties who can bend the pocket in and play the run are much more rare.  The have lost 2.  

[tsylvester]

Robinson is back from injury, he showed great promise before it. Between he, Peoples, and Jones, we may have those phatties

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Peoples is not a patty.  None of those guys are as good as dalton or mads.  I doubt any could start on any other playoff team.

[tsylvester]

Today was a good test for the 2. Without them in the 1st game, Burrow had all day to throw.

With them both in, they were a force in his face all game and a big reason why this team got a shutout

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Brown is not consistent enough runner.  Put them against a better running team that also can pass and I don’t see them be as effective.

[oldno82]

We had a nice effort from the entire D today and that's what it takes to shut out a good offense. Of course, we don't know how much of a difference T-Higgins could have made, but we certainly avenged our loss at home against them 2 weeks ago.

Somehow, Lamar still doesn't look right to me but I give him credit for the check-off he called at the line of scrimmage when he tossed that TD pass out in the flat. That was a very good play by him. 

He didn't pass much today probably because of the cold and how well we were running the ball. 

As I have said ad nauseam, let's evaluate him after the last game of the season.

[oldno82]

5 minutes ago, papasmurfbell said:

Brown is not consistent enough runner.  Put them against a better running team that also can pass and I don’t see them be as effective.

We'll find out over the next 3 weeks but I tend to agree with that.

[tsylvester]

Brown was spinning and cutting exceptionally well today, most backs would not have had the success he did today

Frankly, any time you can keep Burrow from throwing all game is a good chance of winning.

As I said in the game thread, I think the wind got into his head, a few early passes sailed in him and he rarely tried those passes again.

I'm not saying this defensive line is fixed with A Jones and Robinson, but it is a very good start. Last year in limited snaps because of injury or just plain depth, they did great.

Now that they are the big Dawgs, we see the result; collapsed pocket. If this team had a half decent edge rusher Burrow would not have had time to complete those 5 yard passes

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The Cincy ol is trash.  I might be able to crease them.  These guys would not start on gb, den, hou, lac, sea, Jax, or the eagles.  I’m happy they are playing hard but they lack big time talent.  

[tsylvester]

Cinci line is crap, but do realize, lest I refresh your memory, what that Cinci offense has done to this defense over the past few years?

True, Jones and Robinson would not be "starting" on many teams, but they would be in the rotation.

These two are a start to a very good rotation IF Eric & company can find a couple more, especially an edge rusher.

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I said they wouldn’t start elsewhere.  They would be in the rotation.  I think we need 2 starting caliber and if Jenkins retires another rotational.  Def a starting edge and a good backup.

[tsylvester]

Yep, I am just leery that this latest performance, while very good, will be "evidence" for the front office to keep Orr.

I will be shocked if the Ravens beat NE & or GB, sucks that both games got moved to night games.

I realize NE hasn't beaten anyone with a winning record, at least not many teams. But they are clicking on all cylinders even with the melt down against the Bills, blowing the 21 pt lead....

8 and 9 might win the division, pending what the Steelers do, but it should get people not named Todd Monken, fired even if it wins the div.

[oldno82]

If the Ravens win out, which would shock the hell out of me too, they will have earned a playoff spot. If they win a couple of playoff games, the coaching staff will probably all be safe. But those are 2 huge "if's". I don't think that is a realistic scenario.

Three regular season games left. We could quite possibly lose them all and that is more likely than winning them all.

If they don't win the AFC North, it should be total rebuild time.

 

[tsylvester]

I fully expect them to lose all 3, just the way they have played all season says that and much more about this team.

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1 hour ago, oldno82 said:

If the Ravens win out, which would shock the hell out of me too, they will have earned a playoff spot. If they win a couple of playoff games, the coaching staff will probably all be safe. But those are 2 huge "if's". I don't think that is a realistic scenario.

Three regular season games left. We could quite possibly lose them all and that is more likely than winning them all.

If they don't win the AFC North, it should be total rebuild time.

 

 

If I was hung like John Holmes I would have had a line of girlfriends.  Lose the next 2 and win week 18.  8-9.  The question is what Tomlin has and probably tie breakers.  

[tsylvester]

Nuff said, from Espn

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The Ravens have blown more double-digit leads in the 4th quarter under Coach John Harbaugh than any other coach this century, with many occurring since 2020 .

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https://www.audacy.com/stations/1057thefan/shows/inside-access-cceaf/episodes/c9f3c5b5b2cc

the first 15 mins have some shocking stats.

[tsylvester]

There is a lot that goes into blowing a 10 pt lead in the 4th quarter. Injuries of course, penalties, turnovers, play calling, and conditioning.

It is amazing that Harbs has won so many games, how many more he could have won had they kept their leads, including another Super Bowl or two.

But players have let them down with turnovers, penalties, coordinator's with play calling, injuries have plagued this team over the years.

The one constant has been conditioning. When you cannot hold up as you did in the first three quarters, when the running game is no longer working after it was dominating for the 1st 3. 

When your line can no longer pass protect as they did in the 1st 3.

When your defense that was camping in the back field for 3 quarter all of sudden can't move a mouse, and is runover like gramma by a reindeer.

That my friends is conditioning, and it gets worse as the season goes on.

No matter who the coordinator's were, nor their play calls, it has happened.

No matter how healthy the team was, it has happened.

When you are tired you hold. You lose focus and jump early, you panic and interfere.

Come on Biscuit, it is time.

 

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Harbs keeps hiring slapnuts as conditioning coaches.

[oldno82]

It's not only conditioning, it's the whole philosophy of taking your foot off the gas and going conservative in the play calling with a lead that has hurt the team. That, too, is a coaching problem---a big one because players begin playing not to lose rather than playing to win bigger.This issue has been around for a long time with the Ravens.