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oldno82

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  1. David Reed, Marcus Smith, Justin Harper, Yamon Figurs, Demetrius Williams, Mark Clayon, Devard Darling, and Clarence Moore, those have been all of our wide receiver draft picks since 2004. Not one of these players has turned into an impact player of any type (although the jury is still out on Reed and I do like his skill set very much). Ozzie simply has not been able to deliver on drafting us a receiver. The Steelers on the other hand have drafted Santonio Holmes, Mike Wallace, Emmanual Sanders, and Antonio Brown (and Limas Sweed) since 2006. All speed guys that fit their system very well. They did not initially ask too much out of these guys and let them ease into their roles, with Holmes and Wallace becoming Pro Bowl-calibur players and Sanders and Brown look very promising.

     

    This goes back to your point on how we mishandled Dickson. He most definitely should have gotten more reps earlier in the season. Not only that, we were using him in a baffling way. In most of the sets he would come in he would be lined up on the outside as an X receiver matched up against a corner. Why would Cam do this? Flex him as a slot and match him against a linebacker. Pitta should have most definitely gotten more reps too. I do think both guys have a lot of promise though.

     

    Reading your listing of WRs we've drafted makes me want to puke. With the possible exception of Reed whose value is still unknown and Clayton who was only average, what a bunch of losers we've drafted.

     

    And as has been said, Dickson and Pitta should have gotten much more work.

  2. We have had those D's over the last decade. I think while shoring up the D to keep them solid you have to make the O go.

     

    I couldn't agree more. Our corners played pretty well. I think our top priorities are OT, OLB, and C in that order.

  3. Max,

     

    Good post. Harbs is winning - that you cant argue. But can/will he elevate the team to the next level ?

     

    What next level?? We are there, we kicked the lion in his freekin teeth Championship weekend, we just didnt scream like a banshee and spear the sumbitch..

     

     

    I dont get all this doubt Ive been reading since the season ended..It must be in the gene's also, because as a Baltimore Football Fan, Ive never experienced this much success, consecutively..And to know we are doing this with a QB thats going to be our franchise for years & years well that suits me fine.

     

    I'd hate to see this town if we throw a Bungle like decade together, or if we did you would understand why irsay left.

     

    I agree with you, Crav, and lets face it---at SOME point we are going to have a losing season or two. Do we shoot everybody then?

  4. I cruise different sites, I cant get over the amt of people that have turned against Joe after 3 straight trips into the playoffs..

     

    Joe's good enough to take us to a Super Bowl---there's other issues with the offense that need immediate attention: the lack of pass protection, the lack of a running game, and the routes the receivers run for starters.

     

    He's not in the Manning or Rodgers class but he's competent.

  5. Jerry Richardson is an idiot. He is one of the real hard-line owners. He has implored the owners to 'take our league back!' as if they ever really gave it away. If a deal is going to get done, and it will one day, I doubt he'll be the guy to seal the deal. As long as he is 'negotiating' there'll be little progress. And the longer this goes on, the more damage the fans, players, and owners will take.

  6. I wouldn't say he has missed on CB's. He hit with Cmac and Webb looks to be solid at worst. Starks was a system guy. Pittman and Jenkins are the only misses that I see. You will not hit on all of them.

     

    At WR I agree. The only way to combat that is avoid questionable players like you do for every position and keep casting trying to pull in a keeper.

     

    Jermain was solid as an extra WR. Stokely was a very solid WR when healthy.

     

    Patrick Johnson was at best OK.

    TT was taken way to high. I still don't get why they traded up from 15 to grab TT at 10.

    Ron Johnson sucked. The whole 2004 Ravens WR class was awful. Schaub was drafted 8 spots after DVD and Shaun Phillips went 16.

     

    I never liked Clayton coming out of OU. He would disappear in big games. Guess what every game in the NFL is big. Roddy White went 5 picks after Clayton. That soon was followed by Luis Castillo, Heath Miller, Logan Mankins, Michael Roos, and Lofa Tatupu.

     

    Dwil was just soft. Maybe they should stay away from Oregon WR's like you should from UF ones. Man just looking at who comes just after him it is sad. Leon Washington, Stephen Gostkowski, Brandon Marshall, and Elvis Dumervil are within about 12 picks of him.

     

    Figures was a total bust. Following him was Matt Spaeth and Mike Sims-Walker. All in all that was a weak draft league wide.

     

    Marcus Smith has been a good special teams guy. Maybe he will be good on offense in time.

     

    David Reed showed signs of being good. I liked guys like Carlton Mitchell, Arthur Moats, Dan LeFevour, Dezmon Briscoe, Antonio Brown(who burned the Ravens), Joe Webb, Tony Pike, Myron Rolle, Syd'Quan Thompson, and Erik Cook who followed him.

     

    I agree with you completely. We've missed on a bunch lately. I think David Reed is still in the mix but we have to give the young guys opportunity to play too.

  7. If there is a growing disconnect between players and the coaching staff then these numbers will start heading down. If Harbs circling of the wagons around Cam further alienates players from coaches the team will not get better.

     

    Very true on both counts.

  8. Building through the draft is the ideal way to go. It requires patience though because you can't fill all your holes in one draft. If we're willing to take a chance on missing the playoffs for a year or two while we rebuild through the draft then it might work. The problem I see is that some of our 'foundation' players like Ray Lewis and Reed are getting old. Therefore, we probably need to go both the FA and draft route to keep hopes alive for a solid playoff run year in and year out.

     

    Also, Ozzie (and I count myself an Ozzie fan) needs to get his mojo back in our drafts. The last one didn't supply any starters at all.

  9. Why not both? Isn't that the glory of the system... you draft young players, which anyone can do, and you sign veterans?

     

    I think we have too many holes to fill to just use one way or the other. We need both. We need an OLB, a MLB replacement for Ray to groom, an OT, a WR, a C and possibly a CB. The odds of finding good ones all in the draft seem minimal to me. You might succeed in getting one or two.

  10. Then they can play but I think the league can start implementing changes. That part has me confused.

     

    Isn't there something about the league losing its anti-trust protection and all the players not under contract can become free agents regardless of time served?

  11. Gaither would have to take something that the Ravens would feel safe on their end to give him. I would see something highly incentivized. There is no way they will just give him a deal with a bunch of upfront cash.

     

    Agree. I want Gaither back but I also want to make sure he wants to play football. Incentives are what is needed here.

  12. That is a huge understatement. They also need to draft another guy that is similar. If Reed is hurt again this guy can step in also you can flood deep zones.

     

    I hope so...but we had Boldin, Housh, Stallworth and Mason this past season and they were woefully underutilized. Don't know if anything will change with Cam in charge.

  13. I still think Joe is a good quarterback and that we really don't know how good he could be because of Cam being a control freak with the offense. If we give Joe more latitude to call plays and check off and run an offense for which he is better suited (perhaps a West Coast offense) and THEN he fails, I think we'll have at least given him a chance to be 'elite'. Right now we don't know and we won't know as long as Cam has his arms wrapped around the offense as much as he does now.

     

    Joe's critics used to say he couldn't throw over the middle, he couldn't throw against the Cover 2, etc. He proved a lot of them to be wrong on those counts this year.

  14. http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-ravens-flacco-0130-20110129,0,2646623.story

     

     

    Just keeps getting better and better. The Ravens have some fence mending to do with their QB

    This is a mess and shouldn't be allowed to fester. They need to make nice with Joe. And then Joe needs to shut up. Biscotti should have been more involved before this went viral.

    Is this yet another example of how they don't let Joe run the offense more and that Cam is too controlling?

  15. More trouble: Sounds like they were worried about him speaking up too much. Worse yet, it sounds like Flacco may be taking his side.

     

     

    http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2011/01/28/ravens-were-concerned-about-zorn-becoming-insubordinate/#comments

     

    1) I agree a West Coast offense would be better for Joe and the Ravens receivers.

     

    2) The breakup is messy. I hope Joe stays out of it though I can understand how he feels.

     

    3) If it wasn't for the potential lockout, I would have said make Zorn the OC and dump Cam.

     

    4) Now for the glass half-full: maybe Cam will let Joe do more on his own than he has in the past if he is to be more intimately involved with him.

     

    5) There were too many voices in Joe's ear. I'm glad Saunders is gone and while I preferred Zorn's approach, it will help having Joe just listening to one guy on what he should/shouldn't do.

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