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All that is true but even rating this 6 guys ahead of him and maybe a couple more still means he's around 9th to 12th best in a league of 64 outside guys. That's up there. Take into account how bad the offense was and that he still put up the best numbers we've seen from the position since Michael Jackson. He needs more TDs but Joe had a horrible yr. No time to throw and no running game to speak of. And you didn't answer my questions. I see a guy that I wouldn't trade. I see a guy to build my passing game around. I see a guy who makes plays and can take games over. I see a number 1. I may be the only one at this party but he's going to prove to you that many more should be here with me.

Smith and Daniels aren't core players. No more than 2 yrs for both in Bmore. Smith may see his eventual replacement on the roster this yr

exactly. Cut him if he has nothing but if he can live up to his high draft position at 24 yrs old then we might have something that we got for nothing. Think about this K Benjamin is 23 and he hasn't played a down in the NFL. RM is young enough to still be something.

Ok P. I don't agree because all those guys have disappeared in a game here or there outside of Megatron and Julio. AJ is in our division and in the game where he caught that Hail Mary to send it into overtime, he was essential shut down up until that flukey catch off the tip. And outside of Megatron and Bryant, who else had to do it without the benefit of capable players around them? I have to throw Gordon in that category too, he doesn't have much. I really respect your opinions because even when I don't agree, they usually get me thinking or seeing a different angle but this one has me stumped. I don't see why you can't see it. I see it. I guess he still has to prove it to some. I hope we lock him up now because if he gets to market, we'll pay out the nose to keep him or else. I'll ask you this, do you want to see him on another team? Would it hurt our fortunes significantly if he was traded for...say Denver's 1st rd pick this yr?

Gentlemen, he's a number 1. Without the benefit of Q he dropped impressive stats. He couldn't be covered without help. When Jacoby got all the way back, you started to see Jacoby get open as teams tried to hold down Torrey. These things constitute a number 1. Had Q been on the team this past season, imagine Torrey's numbers. If we had a running game to speak of this past season, imagine the play action. Who in this league is Megatron? Really? Look at AJ's receiving Corps last season? And running game too. Marshall had a near clone of himself playing opposite him! Outside of Megatron, I can't see those guys doing a heck of a lot better in Torrey's position last season. Look at what they did on their own teams, it wasn't a heck of a lot better. You guys can't see it or are you afraid to be early to the party? Torrey is a number one and if everyone stays healthy this yr, it's going to shine through. Come on and claim it. We finally have a number 1 at WR.

I got you but I wasn't saying what I thought was the best strategy, just what I think will happen. I wasn't clear on that tho. If they get good value and players they want they should trade down. 2nd rd could yield 1st rd talent

I got you but I wasn't saying what I thought was the best strategy, just what I think will happen. I wasn't clear on that tho. If they get good value and players they want they should trade down. 2nd rd could yield 1st rd talent

Yeah 1 yr deal

can't get them all. Horrible workout and horrible interview caused him to go undrafted. He had attitude and off field concerns. I remember. He was linked to the ravens until those horrible workouts

Just heard it on Sirius. Can anyone confirm?

But everyone knows that P. I'm no expert and I knew it before it was ever said. So if everyone knows that they can wait for great players, it makes teams less inclined to trade with you. They won't sweeten the pot in a trade. We won't find a McDaniels looking for Tebow. Unwilling trade partners will offer sparse deals. If we can get value, it may well be time to trade back but I think there will be a problem on the value end.

just asking

don't think Torrey is a number 1? Not that I wouldn't like us to grab one of these WR coming out but I think Torrey is a clear 1 and if we got one, even Evans or Sammy. The best they could be yr one and two would be a number 2. I expect Torrey to be even better this yr. 75+ rec, 1250+ yards, and 8+ TDs

are we really worried about LT right now? I don't think we are trading out because the draft is so deep, it will be hard to find a good dance partner that gives up enough. This may be the yr we just make the pick. Just a hunch. I think HHCD is good but then there's Pryor and also Brooks from FSU. All athletic Safeties. So if the right one isn't there at 17 we may wait around for Brooks in the 2nd after picking someone else at 17.

Thanks for that and I say bring him on if he's that good. The name has personality if he's a perennial pro bowler. It's rather unforgettable. If he's laughing while making picks, Ha Ha indeed.

The Bengals don't want to win. Sad for their fanbase but same old story for them. They suck the money from the franchise and line their pockets. We will see if we did it right but Lyte ravens get it right more often than not.

If the team think that Chykie is ready for the opportunity then we shouldn't worry. Stewart may be more than anyone knows. I've referenced Jim Leonard before. So I think this is a wait and see. Unless we get HHCD, Brooks or one of the other highly rated safeties... Even if we did get one in the draft I doubt he starts. Same goes for CB. So sit tight. At least Chykie is working to be the number 3 as we speak. He's hungry and I like that! He'll beat out the rooks anyway. Knows the scheme.

P, I'm surprised. I didn't know you were anti-Harbs. Well I'm not privy to insider info and bottom line is that he has won. One bad yr after 5 really good ones isn't enough to can him. He's made some decisions I didn't like but I'll ride with him. If he bounces back, no harm done.

P, I'm surprised. I didn't know you were anti-Harbs. Well I'm not privy to insider info and bottom line is that he has won. One bad yr after 5 really good ones isn't enough to can him. He's made some decisions I didn't like but I'll ride with him. If he bounces back, no harm done.

I like the idea

Steel, stop. Rivalry is great and the fact that you're a rival of ours is a sign of respect. So what are you looking for here? And why try to crap on the Ravens accomplishments? Makes you seem jealous to come over here and do that. The Ravens are the Ravens. The Browns are the Browns. They have a history. Stop stirring the pot. Lol. I like you Steel. I don't take it too serious. The Steelers had 4 rings in a decade. It probably won't be done again because of changes. But that doesn't mean a lot these days because of all the changes since the 70s. You got 6 total. But there's been a lot of Championships in the Charm City too. Just admit that the only reason you have so many more championships is because you've been around longer.

No!!!!

true that

Spen, I see it different. Modell was no angel and yes he had some deals fall thru and took some losses but he wasn't an out and out bad guy. Find something good to say about Irsay the elder. I'll wait...... Modell tried. You're right that Memorial was outdated but again, the city wasn't building large structures for others at the time. Irsay was a greedy drunken bum! Modell wasn't the same. It was the way Irsay did it. It was a bucket of water over the head followed by a hard slap in the face. My opinion tho. Someone from Cleveland might disagree

I agree with that. He's no emmitt smith or Barry sanders. But I don't think he's done today