Falcons new stadium ideas

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http://www.wsbtv.com/videos/news/new-falcons-stadium-renderings/vzmcf/

 

The first one with the transformer transitions is damned cool. But the GA dome is what 20 yrs old? The people getting screwed by a billionare.

[cravnravn]

Why are the people getting screwed? atleast the officials will be putting the stadium to use 12 months of the year, not like some other stadiums I know that sit and rot 8 months of the year.

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In that the people paid for a stadium about 20 yrs ago and the team wants a new one already is rediculous.

[cravnravn]

People didnt pay for the GA Dome, it was state funded, well Im sure their were tax hikes involved somewhere down the line..

 

Lets not forget now we lost a franchise, becaus the owner wanted a new stadium when 33rd st was just turning 30

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Yes they paid for it with taxes. This is corprate wellfare. They should get at least 40 yrs out of a stadium before they need a new one.

[thundercleetz]

Those domes built in the 70-80s were disastrous. Detroit, Seattle, Indy, Houston, Atlanta, Tampa Bay (Rays), Minnesota, New Orleans and St. Louis built domes. The domes in Detroit, Seattle, Indy, and Houston have been replaced and didn't even last thirty years. Minnesota is building a new stadium, Tampa Bay and Atlanta want new stadiums and New Orleans has put hundreds of millions into the Superdome and it is still a subpar stadium (not including Katrina money). The Rams want the city of St. Louis to foot $700 million to renovate their dome or are threatening to leave for LA. Do not forget the dome in Toronto which is poor and the dome built in Montreal which was a reason for the Expos leaving.

 

Tying this in, the original plan for Baltimore was for a Baltodome on the site of Camden Yards to act as a home to the Colts and Orioles. Thank God that didn't pass Maryland legislation as we would be stuck with a crappy dome. No way Baltimore would have been able to build two new stadiums now.

 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baltimore_Colts_relocation_to_Indianapolis#Baltodome_project

 

We are really fortunate to have two beautiful stadiums. Camden Yards will be able to stand the test of time and will probably more than outlive most of us. M&T is not flashy like a lot of these new stadiums, but the location is great and it is a solid football stadium. Structure is sound so it should be easy to maintain.

[cravnravn]

As long as there are lotteries, there will be funding for new stadiums. thats just a fact.

 

Dont buy the sound structure theory, its made of concrete, it is porous, there are freeze and thaws. Add in, as a crow flys, the Stadium is what 1 mile from the bay, which contains salt..

 

Oh and I forgot, my former company supplied all the block to build the ATM, lets just say Im glad my home was supplied block by a competitor in PA..

Edited May 2, 2013 by cravnravn

[thundercleetz]

As long as there are lotteries, there will be funding for new stadiums. thats just a fact.

 

Dont buy the sound structure theory, its made of concrete, it is porous, there are freeze and thaws. Add in, as a crow flys, the Stadium is what 1 mile from the bay, which contains salt..

 

Oh and I forgot, my former company supplied all the block to build the ATM, lets just say Im glad my home was supplied block by a competitor in PA..

Some states maybe but Maryland's budget is stretched so thin the lottery revenues are probably allocated for the next twenty years. If this wasn't the case you wouldn't have seen expansion of gambling, increased gas tax, rain tax, etc. This picture could very well change in the future however.

 

Crav my only point is these newer stadiums like Dallas, Indy, Houston and Arizona are much more architecturally efficient. Not to mention the cost of these stadiums is so much astronomically more than stadiums even in the late 90s they HAVE to last a long time as the city isn't paying them off for years. Case in point, why do these college stadiums last so long? The schools simply cannot afford to build new ones, nor have the space, so they will keep renovating the current one. I think the same will be with our football stadium.

 

Anyways Crav, you don't think the Bank is built to last?

[cravnravn]

There have already been repairs to the underneath structure.

 

I just think stadiums in a 4 climate zone, with no roof on it are more likely to "break down" then say a domed stadium or a stadium in the south.

 

 

Look ath the citys with the newest Stadiums, Pats, Giants/Jets, Iggles, Ravens..all are a stones throw away from salt water/air

Edited May 2, 2013 by cravnravn

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"The women should love this stadium...it has vibrators in the seats."

http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/blog/eye-on-football/22170970/new-falcons-stadium-might-have-vibrating-seats-100-yard-sports-bar

[thundercleetz]

There have already been repairs to the underneath structure.

 

I just think stadiums in a 4 climate zone, with no roof on it are more likely to "break down" then say a domed stadium or a stadium in the south.

 

 

Look ath the citys with the newest Stadiums, Pats, Giants/Jets, Iggles, Ravens..all are a stones throw away from salt water/air

Right I agree. Even domes have their own set of problems, as we've seen in Minny the roof caving in. The cost of stadiums nowadays is going extraordinarily above and beyond simply inflation. M&T cost $220 million ($310 million in 2013 dollars), First Energy in Cleveland cost $283 million ($390 million 2013), and Heinz cost $281 million ($364 2013). All these stadiums were late 90s/early 2000s. For comparison: Lucas Oil $720 million ($768 million 2013), MetLife $1.6 billion, Cowboys Stadium $1.3 billion, Santa Clara Stadium $1.2 billion, new Vikings Stadium about $950 million. As you see inflation is not the variable here, stadiums are becoming as expensive as national defense.

 

My point is teams with outside stadiums in good downtown locations (us, Pittsburgh, Philly, Chicago, Cincy, Cleveland among others) are going to be more likely fixing and doing major rennovations to their current stadium than build new ones. M&T is going to outlive all of us on this board I believe. I could see a multi-hundred million dollar rennovation down the road to keep up with standards. The location is too good to give up in this lifetime. I think more teams and cities are going to be more inclined to take this approach.

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I believe the lease for M&T is until 2028. I ex[ect the corners to get perm seat at some point. The upper deck needs more bathrooms.

[cravnravn]

Oh most definitely Cleet, the down town location is primo...Wait til they build the super track and casino, the Preakness will be in down town baltimore.

[JPPT1974]

It is weird looking I will tell you that. Maybe needs to be adjusted a little bit on the top of the stadium!