Is It Really This Bad?

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Amazing how much of the populous is fine with fascism.

[thundercleetz]

Exactly why I am not on Facebook. I got tired of social media political activists and analysts. I've noticed its started to bleed over to LinkedIn...

[RavenMad]

We had to study Nazi Germany for a major part of our history exams in school and Lizzy is correct. Hitler did a lot of good things for Germany. If he and many of his Nazi lieutenants hadn't been evil bastards then there is every chance Germany would have become a Superpower without shedding an ounce of blood. I can understand what she is trying to say but she is tripping all over her words.

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Of course they did some things that the people wanted to get power. Once there the plan was dictatorship. HE double crossed Ernst Roehm when he was no longer needed.

[dc.]

We had to study Nazi Germany for a major part of our history exams in school and Lizzy is correct. Hitler did a lot of good things for Germany. If he and many of his Nazi lieutenants hadn't been evil bastards then there is every chance Germany would have become a Superpower without shedding an ounce of blood. I can understand what she is trying to say but she is tripping all over her words.

I have to disagree here. I mean, can you say some items were "good" ... maybe. But we'd have to be careful. If be more sympathetic to Mussolini.

 

But much of what Hitler accomplished was not only accomplished by fear, violence and unconditional principles, it was frequently accomplished through the exclusion or exploitation of certain groups.

 

He dropped unemployment to 2% ... by excluding women, Jews and other "undesirables" from the labor force. He also did so by militarizing in violation of international law and with the strict intent of invading neighbors. He industrialized with state takeovers and he "aided labor" by replacing individual labor unions with state directed unions. He improved schools and life... With indoctrination programs, propaganda and state restricted media.

 

So, can you look at some results and say, "that looks successful?" Sure. But that doesn't mean he "did good." He acted in reprehensible ways to further his ends, and at times, the ends of the greater society. But he did horrible things to accomplish what he saw as "success"

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I have to disagree here. I mean, can you say some items were "good" ... maybe. But we'd have to be careful. If be more sympathetic to Mussolini.

 

But much of what Hitler accomplished was not only accomplished by fear, violence and unconditional principles, it was frequently accomplished through the exclusion or exploitation of certain groups.

 

He dropped unemployment to 2% ... by excluding women, Jews and other "undesirables" from the labor force. He also did so by militarizing in violation of international law and with the strict intent of invading neighbors. He industrialized with state takeovers and he "aided labor" by replacing individual labor unions with state directed unions. He improved schools and life... With indoctrination programs, propaganda and state restricted media.

 

So, can you look at some results and say, "that looks successful?" Sure. But that doesn't mean he "did good." He acted in reprehensible ways to further his ends, and at times, the ends of the greater society. But he did horrible things to accomplish what he saw as "success"

 

Also in Italy Mousilini got the trains running on time. Sure that was good to get from A to B but the means of getting there was horrid.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7DcrmnRijTQ

[dc.]

I am not trying to mock, but these analogies just popped into my head. I guess I half understand the logic of "he got things done even if it was bad"... but the logic is just so backwards there, I feel the need to say:

 

Slavery was bad, yeah, but you know... imagine what the US economy would have been like if we hadn't had slaves for like 200 years.

 

Segregation sucked, of course, but for a good 100 years it really kept a level of civil peace and unity in the country... we didn't have these big black lives matter protests, you know?

 

(The latter, by the way, returns to my point about why bother protesting Trump? Because sometimes, just for the sake of decency, someone has to say "I oppose this even if it bothers you and gets in your way")

[dc.]

Exactly why I am not on Facebook. I got tired of social media political activists and analysts. I've noticed its started to bleed over to LinkedIn...

 

First... sorry my ranting got you out of Facebook. I noticed that the other week, like "wait, where's Cleetz?!"

 

Second... I dropped LinkedIn a year or more ago; I remember reading something crazy about what their terms of service allows them to do with your info. Be wary!

[Spen]

Hitler wasn't all bad, he was funny looking. There's that.

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Hitler wasn't all bad, he was funny looking. There's that.

No he wasn't all bad. He looked lik eCharlie Chaplin.

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https://www.change.org/p/hillary-clinton-challenge-hillary-clinton-to-do-an-interview-with-the-young-turks

 

Bernie is doing an interview with The Young Turks at 6 pm tonight. Since he is willing to do an interview with an independent news outlet I think Hillary should do it to. Sign the petition to challenge her to so it.

[dc.]

New poll on support of candidates by party.

 

On Dem side, 25% unhappy with Sanders of nominated... Same as 25%for Clinton. Clinton actually has slightly more people "satisfied" with her nomination.

 

Meanwhile, almost 50% of GOPers would be dissatisfied with Trump.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-leads-gop-race-nationally-but-with-weaker-hold-on-the-party/2016/03/07/890cc8d0-e496-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html

[dc.]

https://youtu.be/IJOuoyoMhj8

 

Best of the best.

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New poll on support of candidates by party.

 

On Dem side, 25% unhappy with Sanders of nominated... Same as 25%for Clinton. Clinton actually has slightly more people "satisfied" with her nomination.

 

Meanwhile, almost 50% of GOPers would be dissatisfied with Trump.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-leads-gop-race-nationally-but-with-weaker-hold-on-the-party/2016/03/07/890cc8d0-e496-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html

It is ignoring independents. They really do not like her. They horde onto Bernie. That is why he wins the open primaries so big.

 

 

 

https://www.tytnetwork.com/live/

Bernie is about to be interviewed by the young turks.

[TBird]

New poll on support of candidates by party.

 

On Dem side, 25% unhappy with Sanders of nominated... Same as 25%for Clinton. Clinton actually has slightly more people "satisfied" with her nomination.

 

Meanwhile, almost 50% of GOPers would be dissatisfied with Trump.

 

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/poll-trump-leads-gop-race-nationally-but-with-weaker-hold-on-the-party/2016/03/07/890cc8d0-e496-11e5-bc08-3e03a5b41910_story.html

Trump just took Arizona with 46% vs 2 candidates and has over 960 delegates for the nomination

so don't believe that poll. That said, he's worries about a floor fight for the establishment to block

him out with a brokered convention but if he's just 200 delegates short and he's almost there,

he should get the nomination but Rove is shitting in his pants right now and will do whatever it

takes to stop Trump.

[TBird]

Hitler wasn't all bad, he was funny looking. There's that.

LOL - Tell that to the 1/3 of all the Jews he slaughtered in Europe plus

the many other etnic groups.

 

I'm sure you were making a tongue in cheek statement for laughs.

[thundercleetz]

 

First... sorry my ranting got you out of Facebook. I noticed that the other week, like "wait, where's Cleetz?!"

 

Second... I dropped LinkedIn a year or more ago; I remember reading something crazy about what their terms of service allows them to do with your info. Be wary!

Haha wasn't you. Even if you said something I didn't agree with, you always "ranted" with logic and maybe presented a view or material I hadn't considered before. What got me off of Facebook was I felt a lot of the rants were intentionally combatitive. I rarely posted on Facebook, but I felt the urge to respond to each ignorant political post. That's how I knew it was my time to leave haha.

 

Oh yeah, the snide political memes with no thoughtful commentary would also get on my nerves.

 

Thanks for the heads up on LinkedIn!

[thundercleetz]

For the Game of Thrones fans:

 

[TBird]

America will become socialistic, not now but in the future they will be socialists. NIKITA KRUSCHEV, 1960

 

Thank you O BUMMER and O BUMMER CARE.

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Obamacare is a giant corporate program. Not really socialist in the real definition.

 

BTW you are a card carrying socialist.

[dc.]

It is ignoring independents. They really do not like her. They horde onto Bernie. That is why he wins the open primaries so big.

 

 

 

https://www.tytnetwork.com/live/

Bernie is about to be interviewed by the young turks.

I meant it only to discuss the idea that Dems would stay home. Apparently no more so than if Bernie were there.

 

Don't disagree on independents, but as another analysis on 538 was recently saying, independents are of course the most diverse group. Some like Hillary more than Bernie because they are more centrist. Some the opposite.

[dc.]

Trump just took Arizona with 46% vs 2 candidates and has over 960 delegates for the nomination

so don't believe that poll. That said, he's worries about a floor fight for the establishment to block

him out with a brokered convention but if he's just 200 delegates short and he's almost there,

he should get the nomination but Rove is shitting in his pants right now and will do whatever it

takes to stop Trump.

The delegates are skewed a bit by the winner takes all system in some places, like Florida.

 

His 46% aligns perfectly with the poll I cited. He's never really cracked that level in the primaries, as well. Cruz has.

 

And primary voters are extra motivated. So it's not telling us who is staying home

And in open primaries he may be getting an independent bump. The point is simply, he has work to do in his own party.

 

Lastly, I disagree that if he has a plurality of votes he should automatically get it. In fact, I think the whole system, even at the National level, is off. We should have run offs and require majorities to get elected or become more parliamentary and require coalition building.

[dc.]

America will become socialistic, not now but in the future they will be socialists. NIKITA KRUSCHEV, 1960

 

Thank you O BUMMER and O BUMMER CARE.

Like all the dem socialist state in Europe... With lower debt, longer life span, and happier people. But gee, those taxes are just strangling... Yet somehow with all those taxes they still are able to go on more vacation and live on one salary more easily than in the US.