Ravens say there will be talent in later rounds

[TBird]

I posted a link from Walter Football which is a respected site that

the draft isn't too deep this year in talent.

 

The Ravens site is now saying there will be premier talent in the

later rounds. Go to:

 

www.baltimoreravens.com

[tsylvester]

Hopefully they are just blowing smoke to make it appear they will trade out... Yes, or is it no, this draft is not deep, not deeper than say 3 rounds.

[TBird]

LOL - Yea, that would be just like them to blow smoke at us this time of year. Great point.

 

Based on what you said - it sounds like they want Treadwell but I posted a link Oz would have to trade down to get him

because he's projected further down but will obviously rise up the boards after his official 40 time is after the combines in plus the other

stats. He'll be one of the fastest men in the draft if not the fastest.

 

If they get TReadwell and Perriman comes back they'll have the two fastest guys in the last two drafts and watch Joe

go to work with them and SR and a bulked up Maxx.

[tsylvester]

Just because some sites rank him lower does not mean Oz does, nor does it mean he cannot be picked at 6. He or any player a team thinks is worth the spot, is all that matters.

 

it's not as if the team will be prevented from taking a kicker there (Oakland) or get penalized for doing so...

 

Treadwell is not a speed guy, he is a possession receiver who is strong enough to get off the jam, big enough and with great hands to give the team a great catch radius, and a true red zone threat. He is, in my opinion, worthy of the 6th pick because the team needs him badly and, there is no other receiver on the team or in the draft quite like him.

[thundercleetz]

Ts, I wonder what Treadwell checks in height wise. I remember Michael Crabtree was a consensus top ten pick. He was listed at 6'3" in college and only checked in at 6'1". Treadwell looks every bit 6'2" but you never know.

 

Will it matter? How does Treadwell compare to Crabtree coming out?

[TBird]

Good points guys. You're right T. It's where Ozzie puts him

on his board that counts and I know he's the best

receiver and think it could be Treadwell or whoever

is left between Hargreaves and Ramsey. One of them

should be there @ 6 and so will Treadwell.

 

Cleets - Yea, Crabtree was a big let down and a dud in the SB

and again the following year in Seattle on the last play before

the next SB and he was covered like a blanket, same as Jimmy

Smith shut him down in SB 47.

 

That's why they have the combines - to get their exact measurements

and speed but the Baltimore Colts did pretty well in the draft long

before the Combines. So did GB, NY, OAK and a lot of teams.

 

The Combines just puts all the players and teams in one place at

the same time for everyone to see and judge.

 

And we still never know how well they will do like Crabtreet

and Perriman last year who never stepped on the field. WR has

just been Ozzie's achilles heel but he still has two rings.

[TBird]

T is right. Treadwell is not a speed guy but a possession receiver

who gets good separation and yardage after the catch according to this link.

 

He's compared to Alshon Jeffery but Harmon of nfl.com says

he's better.

 

Couldn't find his speed stat, but he's tall enough at 6'2, 220 lbs and combine

that with Perriman's height over 6' and Joe has two pretty good

weapons if Perriman comes back.

 

Treadwell is the best receiver in the draft.

 

Sounds to me like Ozzie likes him and is going for him judging by

his statement at the top of this thread. He gets his playmaker with

Treadwell and still gets defensive help in the later rounds.

 

http://www.rotoworld.com/player/cfb/132057/laquon-treadwell

[tsylvester]

Ts, I wonder what Treadwell checks in height wise. I remember Michael Crabtree was a consensus top ten pick. He was listed at 6'3" in college and only checked in at 6'1". Treadwell looks every bit 6'2" but you never know.

 

Will it matter? How does Treadwell compare to Crabtree coming out?

 

 

Two issues Crabtree had were poor route running and inconsistent hands. Size wise, Treadwell is bigger both in height and physical mass; he is ripped. His hands as you know are incredible and he runs good routes, as with most college players, there is some there to clean up... but I never saw Crabtree as a top 10 pick, his speed and size is what enticed others. He has done a pretty good job with his hands, but nothing like he was "projected"....

[TBird]

Im fearful that Dallas will take him.

NFL.com was saying they will take a QB for Romeo to groom

which was the word out of their camp but Jones is now saying

they can wait til next year to draft a QB and he wants a WR

now.

 

It would be just like him to draft Treadwell just before us like when

he traded in front of us to get DEZ. All the boards were doing a

major melt down but Ozzie could have had him.

 

His pal Bellicheat called and said Dallas is on the phone and NE

is on the clock. They want to jump up to take DEZ. Do you want

to up them Oz and he said no thanks.

 

So he could have had him.

[tsylvester]

Dallas won't take him, they need far more help elsewhere. Some claim they will take the qb from North Dakota State, Carson Wentz, but I think that depends on if they sign RG or Manzel when the off season starts.

 

The only real question, for me, is if Ramsey and Treadwell are there, as I suspect, what will the Ravens do? Trade back to say 9 with the Bucs who need corner help (Ramsey can play both) or maybe to 11 with the Bears who also need secondary help?

 

Some mocks, for what they are worth, don't have a wide out going until the 20's, would the Ravens take that chance and trade that far back? Ramsey won't last that long....

[TBird]

No way Ramsey lasts that long. In fact both him and Hargreaves

could be gone by #6 but I doubt both will be. Jags drafting

just above us will take one of them so the other should be

there for us.

 

As far as your Dallas comments, you know that and I know that

but Jones doesn't know that. He wanted to draft Manzeil but

his super scout talked him out of it.

 

Jerry's antics are why he hasn't been to the SB since around 97

but he had Jimmy doing the draft who came out with the value

chart most teams including the Ravens use now or rather

Jimmy's assistant created it.

 

The chart helps determine the values players have and if say

Flacco should be drafted high where Ravens were or so they

trade down to get him which they did saving the owner millions.

[thundercleetz]

 

 

Two issues Crabtree had were poor route running and inconsistent hands. Size wise, Treadwell is bigger both in height and physical mass; he is ripped. His hands as you know are incredible and he runs good routes, as with most college players, there is some there to clean up... but I never saw Crabtree as a top 10 pick, his speed and size is what enticed others. He has done a pretty good job with his hands, but nothing like he was "projected"....

Good point. Forgot about that Mike Leach Air Raid offense. I do remember his hands being suspect as well.

 

I would be happy with either Ramsey or Treadwell. Need a playmaker. A LT would be a safe pick, but I think we could get by with an above average LT.

 

Hopefully teams at the top will get QB hungry pushing down the best players.

[cravnravn]

Leaveland will screw this draft up I can feel it, we getting Treadwell or Ramsey.

[tsylvester]

Good point. Forgot about that Mike Leach Air Raid offense. I do remember his hands being suspect as well.

 

I would be happy with either Ramsey or Treadwell. Need a playmaker. A LT would be a safe pick, but I think we could get by with an above average LT.

 

Hopefully teams at the top will get QB hungry pushing down the best players.

 

 

If Kelechi goes, I think they will panic and take the ND left tackle at 6, sadly. It is not as if they will start him at left tackle any way, and they have shown, the guys they have now can be serviceable. Tackle guards are pretty decent this year, they can find one of them later who can fill the same role as Ronnie Stanley.

[varaven45]

They need to retain KO; let Monroe go. I know its complicated but Monroe is not a long term sol'n; KO is.

Be securing the OL, they can grab the CB or WR in the 1st round.

[tsylvester]

They need to retain KO; let Monroe go. I know its complicated but Monroe is not a long term sol'n; KO is.

Be securing the OL, they can grab the CB or WR in the 1st round.

 

 

I agree. They need to send a message to the team and any possible free agents; talent is wanted and hard work is rewarded. Just pony up and pay Kelechi, he has earned it and they need a left tackle who also can play other positions if needed.

[oldno82]

They need to retain KO; let Monroe go. I know its complicated but Monroe is not a long term sol'n; KO is.

Be securing the OL, they can grab the CB or WR in the 1st round.

 

That's the scenario I favor. Osemele is worth keeping. But what happens to the cap if we do? I can't see right now how they could fit KO in under the cap. Unless...they trade Monroe for draft pick(s). I'd like to see that happen.

[thundercleetz]

 

 

If Kelechi goes, I think they will panic and take the ND left tackle at 6, sadly. It is not as if they will start him at left tackle any way, and they have shown, the guys they have now can be serviceable. Tackle guards are pretty decent this year, they can find one of them later who can fill the same role as Ronnie Stanley.

I agree with your sentiment. It would be great to get the next JO, but let's say even if we get the next Trent Williams, the team can only become so much incrementally better from a Pro Bowl LT. Look at the Browns with Joe Thomas. When they have Josh Gordon they are actually a threat to win games.

 

IMO the marginal benefit of a Pro Bowl LT over an above average LT is not nearly as large as the marginal benefit to a team of an elite WR over an above average WR.

 

Cut Monroe, keep KO and draft Treadwell.

[TBird]

A link I posted quoted KO that he wants to stay and Oz

told him that he wants to sign him as LT so maybe he'll

give us a home town discount.

 

Ozzie will try damn hard to sign him because LTs are hard

to find as we have seen since JO retired. Look at all the

ones since then that haven't worked out.

 

They can fit him under the CAP and cut Monroes who's CAP

hit in dead money will be around $6M or so.

 

If KO leaves Ozzie will definitely draft Ronnie Staly of Notre Damn

whom he can insert at LT and just forget about him. Tunsil is the

best LT and I've seen him going as high as # 1 in some mocks.

I've also seen Bosa falling a bit so who knows.

 

It's a shame if we have to use a #1 pick on LT because we need

play makers so bad and will have to wait another year to get what

we need. We'll be lucky to get 1 if KO leaves and Ravens

draft Staley.

[oldno82]

If it meant keeping KO I would trade Monroe for anything we can get for him.

[Tornado700]

I'm all in for resigning K.O. If Michael Oher can become a servicable L.T., then so can K.O. They have to grab any receiver who is in the top ten. I'm still not sold on Perryman. He scares me.

[cravnravn]

If we draft a position guy, we should use him at that position, not flip flop him around as we did Oher. We could of had another JO at LT.

[TBird]

Exactly, fans like to use that as an excuse for ruining Oher

but he was ruined before he came here but Ravens

are always moving guys up and down the line.

We won the SB when Caldwell moved KO back to LG

and inserted Fat Mac to LT.

 

If they draft Ronnie Staley, he will stay there ala JO.

Ravens won't have to worry about the left side again so

it's not a bad thing if we draft him. We're just going to

have to wait another year for a playmaker unless Ozzie

can sign Von Miller.

[thundercleetz]

Exactly, fans like to use that as an excuse for ruining Oher

but he was ruined before he came here but Ravens

are always moving guys up and down the line.

We won the SB when Caldwell moved KO back to LG

and inserted Fat Mac to LT.

 

If they draft Ronnie Staley, he will stay there ala JO.

Ravens won't have to worry about the left side again so

it's not a bad thing if we draft him. We're just going to

have to wait another year for a playmaker unless Ozzie

can sign Von Miller.

Not having to worry about LT for ten years hasn't helped the Browns much. We need playmakers who can get points on the board! Ravens haven't had a legit difference maker on offense in 20 years. If you have a chance to get Ramsey or Treadwell you get him!

 

Btw there is no guarantee Staley will be the next JO. Remember, Eugene Monroe was the eighth pick overall and Jake Long was the first pick. Everyone likes to paint a rosy picture of LTs being super safe. While they might not be flat out busts, you might end up with a mediocre player at a position you could have addressed later in the draft.

 

The Rams have wasted two first round picks on "safe" LTs in the past ten years. Alex Barron was the nineteenth pick in 2005 and Jason Smith was the second pick in 2009. Both are out of the league.

[oldno82]

Not having to worry about LT for ten years hasn't helped the Browns much. We need playmakers who can get points on the board! Ravens haven't had a legit difference maker on offense in 20 years. If you have a chance to get Ramsey or Treadwell you get him!

 

Btw there is no guarantee Staley will be the next JO. Remember, Eugene Monroe was the eighth pick overall and Jake Long was the first pick. Everyone likes to paint a rosy picture of LTs being super safe. While they might not be flat out busts, you might end up with a mediocre player at a position you could have addressed later in the draft.

 

The Rams have wasted two first round picks on "safe" LTs in the past ten years. Alex Barron was the nineteenth pick in 2005 and Jason Smith was the second pick in 2009. Both are out of the league.