Harbs, yes, it's time

[tsylvester]

To have that conversation that papa has wanted for a few years now. I've watched a lot of football in my 59 years, I've seen teams quit on their coach.

Quite frankly, I have to really test my memory banks to recall a game where so many players were "hurt" in one game.

Now, Lamar supposedly hurt his wittle weg. 

Yes, I'm going to say it, this team quit today.

Lamar checked out long before this supposed hamstring injury he has joe with a full 4th quarter left to play. I don't know what happened before this week, during this week, prior to the game, after the 1st series, but this team, offense, defense, Lamar, quit.

1-3 is no big deal with 17 games to play in a season. It used to be a death nail with 12, 14 and even 16 game seasons, but that extra game means it is possible.

But not when your team clearly quits, not after a game, not late in a game, in the 1st freaking quarter. Now they want to get Henry hurt, oy. Rush throws it away on 4th and 2, need any more proof that this team has quit?

Fire Harbs, on the plane, on the way home

[papasmurfbell]

Body bag game.

 

can they throw him out the plane door?  That can count as the firing.

[tsylvester]

VanNoy had a very exaggerated long hug with Reid after the game. I wonder, was he pushing for a trade? 

[tsylvester]

I wonder if the Biscuit could lure Jordan Hudson, I mean Billy B away from his failed NC team?

[GrubberRaven]

Worst case, no one gets fired because of 'all the injuries', but we NEED a reset.  

[papasmurfbell]

Or as JLC thinks Steve won’t make any major moves until the team is sold.  That won’t happen until after the stadium improvements are done and pulling revenue.

[oldno82]

You may very well be right on that one.

[GrubberRaven]

Is Steve trying to sell?

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13 minutes ago, GrubberRaven said:

Is Steve trying to sell?

Yes.  He said he wasn’t leaving the team to his kids.  He negotiated the renovations that will produce a lot more revenue.  He is maximizing value now.  The only reason is to get the largest return on a sale.

[tsylvester]

5 hours ago, GrubberRaven said:

Worst case, no one gets fired because of 'all the injuries', but we NEED a reset.  

A good, thorough look at the make up of the team would show that injuries are not the cause of the ineptitude, apathy of some of the players, several, top paid "leaders".

The drafting of injured unproven players at position of need. The signing of aging, injured or injury riddled players. All of whom do not live up to even the minimum contract.

The continued in game, piss poor, in game management, the terrible play in the post season even when fully healthy.

Yes, this and more all add up to coaching.

I would love to know if 3 players on the same team ever had the same injury occur in game, hamstring most especially? I suppose we will never know that answer.

I do agree, the Biscuit is not likely to make a move, yet, sadly. 

[papasmurfbell]

There are no leaders on this team. Who is sheriff in the locker room holding things together?  I haven’t seen anyone since 2012.

[GrubberRaven]

10 hours ago, papasmurfbell said:

There are no leaders on this team. Who is sheriff in the locker room holding things together?  I haven’t seen anyone since 2012.

This is a very valid point and probably why players that are VERY vocal, Reed/Pollard, have been jettisoned.  Harbaugh likes to be the Dad, the alpha and that is his short coming as a coach.

[papasmurfbell]

And that’s what they did in 2012 with the revolt.  

[tsylvester]

So, an offensive minded coach, successful coordinator or a defensive one?

I would hate to lose Monken, wouldn't mind him interim head coach this year, but noting term.

Someone to clean house on the defensive coaching staff, special teams and training staff. The injuries keep happening, muscle, so someone is doing something wrong.

This defense did get better last year but as I said last year, not playing the Bengals every other week will make your pass defense look much much better. Since the defense is even worse this year, clearly, the coaching staff is the issue.

[papasmurfbell]

Pees coming in stabilized it. The linebacker coach and a couple others who were fired were a major hindrance.  
 

the guys I oiled look at are spags, Flores, Hank fraley, and minter.

[oldno82]

I think you guys are dreaming. I don't see any coaching changes until after the season at least. I hope I'm wrong.

If I were king, I'd replace Harbs with Monken until the end of the year, and then either hire Spags or make Monken the permanent head coach.

Training staff, I agree, changes have to be made. Too many soft tissue injuries and perhaps a lack of conditioning.

Harbaugh has been a successful coach for years but his time has come and gone. I don't think his message resonates with the team anymore. I know it doesn't with me. I think he's lost now and is just mouthing platitudes. He was never good with the x's and o's having only been a special teams coach. He did once have a superior motivational talent but even that has faded. I don't discount all the success he's had in the past. I just think he's gotten stale and it would be great if the Biscuit sees it the same way.

[papasmurfbell]

I don’t see any changes either.  I’m just saying there should be.

[papasmurfbell]

I would guess monk is gone after the season.  There is no way I would take being dragged over the coals by an incompetent.  

[GrubberRaven]

I don't Spags would ever head coach again.  His strength is D only.

[tsylvester]

Toss Monken under the bus but not the real big issue; the defensive coordinator. 

The offense, scheme, is fine, top 3 last year, on pace for that this year. Execution is the issue; the line mostly.

I suppose one could say the same about the defense except it was an issue last too...

[oldno82]

I can't blame Monk at all for the offense. The fact is the line personnel there are just not up to snuff except for Linderbaum who's in the last year of his contract, I believe. But the scheme has been super now for 3 years.

Defense is another matter. Personnel, until the injuries hit last week, have been above average but our DC just can't seem to get them to play 4 quarters of solid play. Maybe not even one half.

There's going to be a big shakeup in the coaching but unfortunately not until after the season. Question is, will Bisciotti unload Harbaugh with some of the others?

[papasmurfbell]

You can tell monk isn’t a turdy guy.  Cam, wink, pees, and others who failed on their side of the ball either for a short time or longterm were never thrown under the bus like that.  

[oldno82]

I thought doing that to Monken was a slap in the face. Disgusting. And if Harbs noted we were 'getting away from the game-plan', why didn't he use his headset to tell Monken so during the game?

[papasmurfbell]

50 minutes ago, oldno82 said:

I thought doing that to Monken was a slap in the face. Disgusting. And if Harbs noted we were 'getting away from the game-plan', why didn't he use his headset to tell Monken so during the game?

Did he during cams era?  Wink or Roman’s time?  No he just said we need to run more and I will fix that mistake next time.  He never does. 

[tsylvester]

Harbs was completely wrong to say anything about the play calling; it is not the issue.

The clear issue is talent/player development.

Sorry to say but Rose has been an issue at right tackle, no push in the running game, struggling still in pass protection. He is lacking talent or is he getting bad coaching?

If it is talent, then who said yes, draft him besides Eric? Cause that would be another miss.

Who said Vorhees, besides me, was worth drafting hurt, because he was a great college guard who is now barely passable. He too struggles getting a push in the run game and has whiffes in pass protection. He too has not developed. Talent or coaching?

Faalele, he was a project coming out of college, not good at pass protection as a tackle, lacked good push in the run game because, supposedly he had bad form not for a lack of strength.

Well, here we are, he is a guard for year 2 and still has the same issues. So he too has not developed, coaching or talent or both?

Meanwhile, the best guard on the team, Ben Cleveland, struggled in practice mostly because of his drinking and wife issues. Both have been solved and he has excelled when ever he gets the chance, whether at guard or center. Clearly it is talent with him, developed despite the coaching. Yet, because of ? He doesn't get a chance to play unless it is the preseason, hmmm

Outside of the Bills game, the 1stnof the season, this team cant run the ball consistently. The line cant give any qb consistent time in the pocket. Why? Coaching

Now defense

Last year, bad early, very, very good as the season went on.

This year, bad early, horribly bad against an average at best offense in the Texans. Oh, I know, missing 5 starters. But should that make that big of a deal? Not forcing a punt at all?

No player development, not on the defensive line, not at the linebacker. I won't blame too much on the pourus secondary, they didn't stand a chance.

But none of the edge rushers drafted in the last 5 years has panned out: none of them. Oh Owe getting 10 last was a) and abortion b) done mostly against bad teams when the game was over. Never when the team needed them, late in close games, nor in the playoffs.

Linebackers, outside of Smith, who is clearly showing his age and has lost a few steps, no drafted backer has panned out. Even the 4th round pick Buchanan is clearly too slow to play middle linebacker at this level. Leave him on special teams where speed is not an issue. He has no vision, no instincts, cant find the ball to fill the proper hole and make a stop at the LOS, 

Simpson has the speed, but he too seems to lack instinct, taking wrong angles, negating his quickness. 

So no development at rush end, nor at the linebacker level.

Coaching? Talent?

Again, who agrees with Eric, on the coaching staff, that a player should be drafted in their position group? Because they clearly, just like the offensive line coach, needs to be fired.

If Harbs refuses to fire coaches then he too should go out the door. / rant