A good point

[vmax]

 

If you're looking for someone to blame for the Ravens losing seven starters this offseason, there are four Ravens who have higher cap numbers this year than Flacco: linebacker Terrell Suggs ($13 million), defensive tackle Haloti Ngata ($11.5 million) and guard Marshal Yanda ($7.4 million). In fact, as of last week, Baltimore had allocated $7.4 million of cap space on quarterbacks this season. Only eight NFL teams had devoted less cap room to quarterbacks.

Flacco's cap number shouldn't be a problem next year, either. It jumps to $14.8 million in 2014, which is a relatively modest number for quarterbacks.

http://espn.go.com/blog/afcnorth/post/_/id/68136/torrey-smith-dont-put-blame-on-flacco

 

I think the 4th player that he forgot to list is Ray Rice.

I don't have an accurate figure (feel free to find it) but I think Flacco, Rice, Yanda, Suggs and Ngata account for about 40% of the Ravens cap.

That's 5 players.

They have to sign 48 more.

[thundercleetz]

Yanda is money well spent. Ngata and Suggs will get their chance to earn their worth this season. People forget Suggs and Ngata are All Pro players. If healthy I have no doubt they will.

[colincac]

Yanda is money well spent. Ngata and Suggs will get their chance to earn their worth this season. People forget Suggs and Ngata are All Pro players. If healthy I have no doubt they will.

As previously stated, these two are the key to the Ravens' next few years. We don't have an easy way out of the money we owe them, just have to hope they play up to their contracts as they used to prior to these injuries.

[cravnravn]

If the brass likes to give out these lucrative top dollar contracts, then they might as well get used to to restructuring these deals too. We just cant keep them for 3-4 years then when the big money comes into play release them.

[thundercleetz]

As previously stated, these two are the key to the Ravens' next few years. We don't have an easy way out of the money we owe them, just have to hope they play up to their contracts as they used to prior to these injuries.

That is not true we have all the leverage in Suggs contract situation after this year. His contract was extremely front loaded with guarantees and had a low signing bonus. So what that means is while he has a high cap number next year most of it is not guaranteed. With only one seasom left I can almost guarantee that Suggs will be in Boldin's situation next season: pay cut or gone. And if Suggs leaves that is why we have Upshaw and Dumervil.

[thundercleetz]

If the brass likes to give out these lucrative top dollar contracts, then they might as well get used to to restructuring these deals too. We just cant keep them for 3-4 years then when the big money comes into play release them.

Yes we can. You front load the contracts with guarantees and give a low signing bonus. Ozzie is ahead of the curve, he did this with Suggs contract. Flacco's deal is essentially a three year deal, after that there are not many guarantees. The only player that Ozzie didn't do this with is Ngata's deal. Ngata got a big bonus which will make it hard to release him before his deal ends. I am confident Ngata will return to his All Pro form this season however.

 

Everyone needs to chill out. Ozzie has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing.

[oldno82]

If the brass likes to give out these lucrative top dollar contracts, then they might as well get used to to restructuring these deals too. We just cant keep them for 3-4 years then when the big money comes into play release them.

Yup...its either restructure or get used to seeing your stars leave when they are still able to perform at a relatively high level. That's Ozzie's challenge and dilemma. We may be in a constant state of reloading and being competitive.

[cravnravn]

Yes we can. You front load the contracts with guarantees and give a low signing bonus. Ozzie is ahead of the curve, he did this with Suggs contract. Flacco's deal is essentially a three year deal, after that there are not many guarantees. The only player that Ozzie didn't do this with is Ngata's deal. Ngata got a big bonus which will make it hard to release him before his deal ends. I am confident Ngata will return to his All Pro form this season however.

 

Everyone needs to chill out. Ozzie has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing.

No we cant, look at Joes contract, how in the wold can we go into years 4 thru 6 of the deal taking a 24 mil dollar cap hit? WE CANT

[colincac]

Yes we can. You front load the contracts with guarantees and give a low signing bonus. Ozzie is ahead of the curve, he did this with Suggs contract. Flacco's deal is essentially a three year deal, after that there are not many guarantees. The only player that Ozzie didn't do this with is Ngata's deal. Ngata got a big bonus which will make it hard to release him before his deal ends. I am confident Ngata will return to his All Pro form this season however.

 

Everyone needs to chill out. Ozzie has a plan and knows exactly what he is doing.

I'm fairly certain that we would take a 4.6 Million cap hit for releasing Suggs' before 2014 (based on spotrac and russelstreetsports). That's a big hit to take but perhaps not if he completely busts next year and cutting him could save us 7.5 Million. We really don't have a ton of leverage though imo.

 

In addition, Joe's is a 3-year deal because we HAVE to restructure, not because we have leverage in the last 3 years. If we cut him after the 3rd year we would be set with $25 million in dead money in year 4, again little to no leverage in renegotiation's.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco/

[thundercleetz]

I'm fairly certain that we would take a 4.6 Million cap hit for releasing Suggs' before 2014 (based on spotrac and russelstreetsports). That's a big hit to take but perhaps not if he completely busts next year and cutting him could save us 7.5 Million. We really don't have a ton of leverage though imo.

 

In addition, Joe's is a 3-year deal because we HAVE to restructure, not because we have leverage in the last 3 years. If we cut him after the 3rd year we would be set with $25 million in dead money in year 4, again little to no leverage in renegotiation's.

 

http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/baltimore-ravens/joe-flacco/

 

What I meant with Flacco is after year three if worst came to worse we could release him and still get cap savings. A lot of dead money, but it would not be a loss if he was absolutely terrible for some reason. For a franchise QB, that is as good as you can get. In all likelihood, yes we are restructuring after three years but this contract gives us good flexibility. You are right, not much leverage, but no one ever has leverage with franchise QBs. All I was saying was I like the flexibility of the contract.

 

As far as Suggs is concerned, I see that savings as definite leverage. The market is gong to be flooded with older pass rushers, no one is going to pay him near his base salary of $7.8M.

[colincac]

What I meant with Flacco is after year three if worst came to worse we could release him and still get cap savings. A lot of dead money, but it would not be a loss if he was absolutely terrible for some reason. For a franchise QB, that is as good as you can get. In all likelihood, yes we are restructuring after three years but this contract gives us good flexibility. You are right, not much leverage, but no one ever has leverage with franchise QBs. All I was saying was I like the flexibility of the contract.

 

As far as Suggs is concerned, I see that savings as definite leverage. The market is gong to be flooded with older pass rushers, no one is going to pay him near his base salary of $7.8M.

If Suggs returns to 75% form than his fair value is $8 Million, I'd say that's a safe bet and that we don't end up cutting him.

 

$25 Million in dead money would be unheard of and absolutely cripple the team, there is absolutely ZERO chance they cut him if that is the penalty. As a result, Joe has all the leverage in the world going into negotiations in 3 years. The only thing the contract succeeded in was getting him at a fair price for the first 3 years. After those, we are in bad shape pretty much whatever happens.

[thundercleetz]

If Suggs returns to 75% form than his fair value is $8 Million, I'd say that's a safe bet and that we don't end up cutting him.

 

$25 Million in dead money would be unheard of and absolutely cripple the team, there is absolutely ZERO chance they cut him if that is the penalty. As a result, Joe has all the leverage in the world going into negotiations in 3 years. The only thing the contract succeeded in was getting him at a fair price for the first 3 years. After those, we are in bad shape pretty much whatever happens.

 

Not quite unheard of, the Colts took a similar cap hit with Manning. My only point here is if Flacco was terrible and we wanted to completely blow the thing up like the Colts did, his contract offers flexibility where we could still get some sort of cap savings, even if it is very little. Otherwise, we will restructure this deal after three years.

 

Here's the deal with Suggs. Yes a lot of it is dependent upon his performance this coming year. But lets just take a look at Elvis Dumervil's situation with the Broncos. Elvis had a great year but had an upcoming Cap number of $13.2 million CAP hit. Dumervil signed a 5-year, $26 million contract with us, average base salary is $3 million a year. At 32-years old, I do not see Suggs getting even that kind of long-term deal. It will be pay-cut or release for Suggs after this year, no way we take a $12 million cap hit.

[colincac]

Not quite unheard of, the Colts took a similar cap hit with Manning. My only point here is if Flacco was terrible and we wanted to completely blow the thing up like the Colts did, his contract offers flexibility where we could still get some sort of cap savings, even if it is very little. Otherwise, we will restructure this deal after three years.

 

Here's the deal with Suggs. Yes a lot of it is dependent upon his performance this coming year. But lets just take a look at Elvis Dumervil's situation with the Broncos. Elvis had a great year but had an upcoming Cap number of $13.2 million CAP hit. Dumervil signed a 5-year, $26 million contract with us, average base salary is $3 million a year. At 32-years old, I do not see Suggs getting even that kind of long-term deal. It will be pay-cut or release for Suggs after this year, no way we take a $12 million cap hit.

The Colts only took 10 Million from Manning and had a terrible roster, much different situation IMO unless our team becomes awful over the next 3 years.

 

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2012/03/07/cutting-peyton-gives-colts-16-million-in-dead-money/