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[cravnravn]

Only 1 QB in the past 4 years has more wins than Bazooka Joe Flacco and thats Drew Brees, not Manning, Rogers, Brady, Dickintheforeheadslapper Ben...Nada!!!

No One in the NFL has more road playoff victories, then our own..#5 in your program, #1 in your hearts...JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FLACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

[SpearSrai]

cravnravn, on 24 February 2012 - 04:30 AM, said:

Only 1 QB in the past 4 years has more wins than Bazooka Joe Flacco and thats Drew Brees, not Manning, Rogers, Brady, Dickintheforeheadslapper Ben...Nada!!!

No One in the NFL has more road playoff victories, then our own..#5 in your program, #1 in your hearts...JOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO FLACCCCCCCCCCCCCCCCOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO

Quarterbacks are not pitchers... they don't get individual win and loss records. There are 53 talented men who contribute to those wins.

I like Flacco, but going by the eyeball test, he's not as good as a lot of guys, and he's not the strength of our team. Those others are all considered strengths.

[yagersports]

Joe has also not missed one snap. He's durable as well. I can't believe all those guys that are discounting wins and losses. Joe is a smart guy who doesn't Favre shit up. Alot of this team's success is based on the fact that Flacco doesn't make the costly turnover.

I think we're all forgetting too that Flacco is also very good with the game on the line.

Stats just aren't everything. If they were Romo would be awesome instead of pretty good.

Wins and losses aren't the only gauge that Crav is using, however it's a very important powerful gauge because Flacco has done in CONSISTENTLY. You don't accidentally post 4 consecutive winning seasons as a QB without being pretty damn good. It just doesn't happen. We've all seen guys be successful for a year or two (Sanchez), but then things start falling apart when weaknesses are exposed. We've seen guys like Romo and Ryan being surrounded with more offensive talent and yet, their stats don't propel their teams forward. With the previously mentioned two guys, they do commit the costly turnover in big games.

I'm just saying....if Flacco had 1 or 2 winning seasons, yeah, you can't put much stock in that. Four in a row, four straight playoff appearances, and not a single snap missed? This done mostly an aged Derrick Mason too. Flacco has earned his stripes and proven he deserves a good payday. He's our QB, and with the talent on this team, we're not going to start a rebuilding process. He's not gonna get top 5 money, but he's gonna get paid.

[vmax]

Spear: I agree with you that it takes all 53 to win like the Ravens have done these last 4 years. All 3 units are critical to winning games with offense being 1/3rd of that....so Joe is riding the coat tails of this teams success.
Now...teams don't go on runs like the Ravens have for 4 years straight without a good QB. Joe hasn't earned top 5 money...but I say lock him up and pay him well. One thing is proven...with this QB, who handles the ball every snap...the Ravens have won consistently.
Joe is a big part of the winning formula.
It could take 15 years to find a comprable replacement.

Lock .him up for 7 years at $100 million...that will end up a bargain down the road.

[papasmurfbell]

OK so McClain is the the best alltime at wins at LB. He needs to be paid top 5. Add every player on the Ravens for the last 4 yrs to that also. They are all worth top 5 money.

[cravnravn]

You know dam right well you reward your captains..No one besides Yanda makes serious cake on the offense, well thats about to change.

[SpearSrai]

We've made the playoffs four years in a row, as a team, and Flacco has also been a major contributor to our season-ending losses. Let's not forget the interception he threw in the fourth quarter of the pats game, or that there was another play after lee evan's drop where he couldn't convert the first down (and we had a timeout, as we know).

Let's not forget the second-half collapse against Pittsburgh last year, that flacco (and rice) contributed heavily to. Or the costly strip-sack from Polamalu a few years back, when everyone in the stadium knew he was coming.

Flacco is above-average, he's good, he has clunkers a lot more than top 5 qb's, and he has as many flubs as Romo. He just doesn't play in Dallas, and isnt held to a star quarterback standard like Romo is.

[yagersports]

Right, cuz McClain has contributed the way a QB contributes in a football game. Honestly. Why didn't you use Ray Lewis? Oh that's right, cuz there's another guy that has a lot more to do with wins and losses.

In any case, Joe clearly has proved himself over time. He's not Brady, but he's also not Fitz.

Wow McClain. Honestly, you would think I was talking about Dickson on offense geez.

[vmax]

Fuck it then...tell Joe to walk...get another guy.

[papasmurfbell]

No it is not a zero sum argument. He should be paid around the 8-10 spot. That is a far price.

[SpearSrai]

yagersports, on 24 February 2012 - 02:01 PM, said:

In any case, Joe clearly has proved himself over time. He's not Brady, but he's also not Fitz.

I'd rather have Larry Fitzgerald than Flacco, tbh.

[papasmurfbell]

No. I have seen that Fitz becomes of no value when he has no QB to get him the ball.

[SpearSrai]

papasmurfbell, on 25 February 2012 - 10:20 AM, said:

No. I have seen that Fitz becomes of no value when he has no QB to get him the ball.

It was a joke. But come on...look at Fitzgerald's stats over the years. He's only had under 1000 yards and 80 receptions once since his rookie year, with all sorts of QB's. Guy's an uncoverable beast.

[papasmurfbell]

1000 yds is not some amazing # anymore. It is a 16 game schedule and not 14 or 12.

[BengalBilly]

papasmurfbell, on 25 February 2012 - 02:50 PM, said:

1000 yds is not some amazing # anymore.

I live in Arizona and get all the Cardinals games. Larry Fitzgerald is in the top 3 WR's in the league.

[papasmurfbell]

That was not my argument. I have said that he has been limited by poor QB play. He can't throw the ball to himself.

[SpearSrai]

papasmurfbell, on 25 February 2012 - 03:34 PM, said:

That was not my argument. I have said that he has been limited by poor QB play. He can't throw the ball to himself.

No, you said he has been no value. 1,000 yards receiving (and 100 catches, which he is always near) is still a great accomplishment. You may be thinking of 1,000 yards rushing, which has been devalued.

[papasmurfbell]

Again he can't throw the ball to himself. So without a QB the value is not there.

[SpearSrai]

papasmurfbell, on 25 February 2012 - 05:21 PM, said:

Again he can't throw the ball to himself. So without a QB the value is not there.

lol. You never quit.

Even John Shelton looked good with Fitz to throw to.

[yagersports]

I was speaking of Fitz in Buffalo lol. I was comparing QBs.