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Spen, I do enjoy most of your posts and usually stay out of the hissy fits you and papa have. Papa and I go way back to the begining of Raven message boards, just so you know. 17 of 29 for 180+ yards with 1 td and 1 int is not a very good game. His pick really hurt the team, as Ten was on the ropes, unable to stop the Ravens from driving the field again, more points there and the Ravens likely cruise. Were there other issues that cost this team the game? Yes, I thought I menrioned all of them. But how you can think Lamar played well is pickling my pee brain.

It's all good Max, don't have any expectations and enjoy what comes along. There is a lot of young talent on this team who we get to watch grow.. I was being a bit sarcastic

Time to start looking at the draft; what holes to fill with limited draft picks. With a tight cap and little money to spend, the drafts will be key.

Yes well from your high mountain top we lemmings are blessed to see you post... If you actually knew half of what you think you know your eyes would be opened. Funny, a guy who played the game and played well for most of his career said today exactly what I have been saying for weeks about Lamar, the passing game and why the running game is inconsistent...

I thought they did a fabulous job, Lamar had time for most of the game, Dobbins found room to run as well. One sack, no bad snaps, okay, one early.

Well, what can you say? Another winable game, game that should have been won; lost. Defense played well for 3 quarters, then they went fishing, in a reservoir, where it is catch and release. I've never seen so many missed tackles in my life; a clear sign of exhaustion. Lamar, what can you say? If I say he played well I would be lying and if I say he played poorly, I am a hater, don't know what I am talking about. He did not see open receivers in the field, nor in the redzone, even in the last seconds of the game, with all day to throw he refused to throw to Snead on a short crosser with a 3 yard seperation from his man who likely scores the game winner. Nor did he see Andrews coming from the other side, also woth plenty of room to catch & score. I wish I could post the picture of the last play in regulation, but the file is too big. In it you would see just as I described. Go back earlier in the game when the Ravens kicked a field goal; Dez with his man playing 10 yards off, single coverage from the 12 yard line; Dez scores. Do we want to talk about his interception? Top of the route, the defender is ontop of his man, you don't throw that pass like he did, you lead your mn away from the defender. Play calling; Dobbins was killing them, getring into a groove and you take him out? Team discipline is still lacking greatly, offense, defense, special teams; this team is falling a part physically & mentally. I expected a loss so this is no big deal to me, this team has to many issuee to be a serious playoff team so there is no hope for me of them making the playoffs. I doubt they beat the Stillers on a short week after a very physical game.

Yeah I thought Boz would get the start, a better center college wise, but guess not

Skura benched, Mekari to take over at center

Look for Dez to have a big day....

Missing guys in the 2ndary, on the defensive line, and the bookies still have the Ravens favored by 6, hmmmm

This is a great question. Let me point out one game, one play last year that comes to mind. It was a third down against the Bengals. Lamar takes the snap, takes two steps back. The Bengals are in zone coverage. Snead is in the slot to the right, running a deep out route, Andrews out wide running a to the sticks comeback route, Brown on the left doing a skinny post.. The safety to the power side is deep and, takes a step back at the snap. A linebacker is inside Snead as he runs his route. If this pass is thrown on time, Lamar had time, it is an easy 20 yard gain on 3rd & 8. Instead, Lamar pump fakes, the safety moves toward, not Snead but Andrews, Lamar scrambles for 9 yards and a first down. Sure, they moved the chains, ate some clock, Lamar did a Lamar run; how exciting. However, had he thrown on time to Snead, it's a bigger play and causes the defense to respect the passing game that series. All of this was clear presnap, the coverage, which route, if there was time, would be the best option. There was time, but Lamar either did not see it, trust it, or had preplanned to go to Andrews who was double covered by a corner and safety. Just one play, there are many others, sure, every qb does this from time to time, but....

This is the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back for this season. I just hope I am wrong, but as you stated Max, too many injuries, too many issues, this game is gonna stink like a small bathrom after a foul meal poop. It is bad enough they have the Steelers to look ahead to on Thursday night, turkey night in America, that they have to face a talented desperate team that matches up well on offense and especially defense to the Ravens. This game will be a blow out, not even close that the final score may indicate, sadly.

You have me confused with someone else Spen. The weather had nothing to do with his interception; it never should have been thrown based on the coverage. If you don't understand that, don't label me a hater, I'm trying to inform

Have at it papa, I stand by it to anyone.

Should have had two picks, missed a few open guys deep sown field when he chose to throw short. Those deep passes change games, win games. Was he the reason they lost? No, not by him self, that is not what I am saying. You want me to grade out the linmen? i will, the receivers? i will, start a thread on them or any position. But we are talking about Lamar and what he needs to do to improve.

Spen, it's not that we want him to throw it somewhere, it is that he is not, either by play design, inept recievers, or his inability, to tale advantage of man coverage with game changing throws, plays. Sure, use the excuse of the weather, or use his completion % to say he played great; not untrue. However, you, he, the team, have said how smart he is, doesn't make the same mistakes, but the truth is, he threw into double coverage; again. He was picked off once, should have had two interceptions but the defender dropped the pass. That pass was late, on a crossing route, and he did not, once again, see the underneath coverage. Even if the defender was not there no way that pass is completed, it was late and thrown short. This was the first game this year where he tried to throw a go route, but it was into double coverage, late, and to the wrong side of the receiver. He should have seen the coverage at the presnap read; safety on that side of the numbers in man coverage means that route on that play was not the throw to make. But either he didn't make the right read, or he chose to ignore it for some reason. Either way that speaks volumes. Sure, every qb makes tht mistake from time to time. Yet, given his play this year, his play in college where it was clear he could not read a defense (by this read my other comments on how to properly read a defense), and it appears that he still cannot and that is alarming. Last year he got away with it because defenses were not ready for him, more worried about his running, so they left openings. This year, they have stopped his running, gone to man on the outside, zone underneath to hem him in, this leaves the middle somewhat open for short, intermediate passes over the middle when the linebackers either split too wide or don't drop deep enough. This means he can complete easy passes in front of him, and at a rate of 70%, but that means long drives. Those long drives = punt when you factor in the penalties, the mistakes, as we see this year.

I've been screaming play action for weeks, but that is not the main problem as we saw last night once again. Clearly he can only make throws that are right in front of him, consistently. The Pats ran mostly man and while Lamar had good numbers, numbers lie sometimes. If he can't beat man defense, this team will never win consistently any longer. Last year will have been a fluke; teams not ready for him, now they are and big plays disappear. Big games are still an issue, clearly.

Penalties, blown coverages, turnovers, bad snaps, poor decisions, just another big game where the team looks unprepared, undisciplined. This was a big game against a bad team. The same mistakes keep happening. Lamar shows he still can't throw outside the numbers, I will say, the receivers running their routes tight to the boundary line don't help, neither does throwing into double coverage. Play calling suspect, coaching is a big issue when your team keeps making the same mistakes. Scoring only 17 pts, even with strong drives, mistakes stopped this offense not the Pats defense; that is sad. The depleted dedense did what it could, only 135 yards passing, but they got gutted on the ground, 173 yards, fooled by the same plays they see in practice every week; that is truly sad. No excuse I honestly don't know if they can fix this-this year. What, are they going ro suddenly start lining up properly, snapping the ball properly, look snaps into their hands, run routes properly, make the right read suddenly?

Never judge on a Thursday night game, one team or one half of a team or both teams never show up. It's too hard on the players. Recovery for them is 5 days, 6 late in the season.

With Humphries coming back. I wonder why there is secrecy with this player

The Pats defense is terrible, even Billy Boy can't scheme his way to hide their flaws. The Pats o line is horrible, it take a qb the size of Cam to stand back there. Even he is exhausted as the game goes on, one never knows which Cam will show up from game to game, let alone play to play. Night games in New England used to bring out the best of the Ravens, will this one? It should not be close, good game for the Ravens to get healthy and have fun...

Good point Max on the o line. The backs faced a very good defense in the Steelers and the Colts. While they faltered, they came together to overcome and dominate as the games went on. Could be the start of something special for them as a unit, time will tell.

Sports Illustrated: Lamar Jackson Is Evolving and Improving, Even If His Numbers Aren't As Eye-Popping As in 2019. https://www.si.com/nfl/2020/11/09/mmqb-week-9-lamar-jackson-ravens-growing-dolphins-giants-saints

Look, the concern is still there; 2 passes outaide the numbers, one caught, one dropped. Other than that, nothing down the sidelines, nothing outside the numbers. Granted, those routes take time, and this line hasn't given him much. But the Colts were daring him to throw deep, single coverage on the outside; still no shots. Is it the line & the time? Is it the coaches not making those #1 in progession? Yes, up tempo worked, there were holes in the middle of the field for Boyle, Andrews, Snead, Brown on crossing routes. Yes, those plays eat up game clock, lead to long drives. But sooner or later this offense has to, will need a quick strike, and Lamar seems to be the only qb in the league who can't or won't make those throws.

You & me both ole buddy, good to see you back