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With the right hardass QB coach who would not be conflicted with a decent hardass OC and not impaired by the HC, Joe would improve. He is a follower that can be led so long as someone grabs the ring in his nose. With the next year's schedule, and the firing of the HC and OC by the end of the season, a new HC may have a good QB to pick in the draft.

From January 3, 2018 http://drewsmorningdish.com/

From Todd Schoenberger at "Drew's Morning Dish" "Welcome to 2018, RavensNation! Normally, this is the time for fresh starts, new beginnings, establishing goals, and optimism for the upcoming twelve-month campaign. Well, not in Baltimore. Nope. After Sunday’s utter disappointment, all in Charm City are left in a state of disbelief and anger. The Ravens didn’t just let its fans down; it embarrassed the city in a way violent riots and meteoric homicide rates do. Is it time for the Ravens to go in another direction and bid farewell to John Harbaugh?Think I’m being overly dramatic? Perhaps, but the Ravens bruised the city’s civic pride and the team needs to be called out on it. First, let’s discuss the coach. As engaging and charismatic as John Harbaugh may be, he has single-handily destroyed the culture of the Ravens. Following the SuperBowl victory, he began making moves by forcing several of the team’s key personalities and hard hitters out of Baltimore. Harbs didn’t want the A-type extroverts on the team. Rather, he wanted…no, demanded…to be the face of the Ravens. Normally, NFL teams prefer to let its star players stand out, but Harbaugh has some kind of personal attention requirement, where he is the one-and-only mouthpiece for a team historically equipped with trash-talking savages. He’s a classic micro-manager. A person in control of every detail rarely trusting his staff in full, guys like Harbaugh know how to manufacturer a bond with those of influence. And the most influential person connected to the Ravens is owner Steve Bisciotti. Their relationship is more about friendship, than employer/employee. This is why Bisciotti finds it hard to make the necessary change at the top, despite another average record and repeat non-playoff berth for a once-storied franchise. But Harbaugh failed, miserably, as a coach on Sunday. He did not have his team prepared, despite his management style being all about dotting I’s and crossing T’s. He may have focused on the details, but he made a crucial error with the one that is the most important: Always have your team ready. A few reports are beginning to sprinkle into articles about Harbaugh being “distracted” in the days leading up to the critical Bengals game. Valid or not, the idea that stories like this would even be discussed is alarming considering what was at stake on Sunday. If true, it would explain why the team seemed distracted in the beginning of the game. The lack of energy on the sideline was crystal clear and gave the impression the team had other things on their minds rather than football. That’s the problem when you run your leaders off the team, though. If Harbaugh was mentally jarred from something else, he needed a player to step-up in the locker room and rally the troops. Flacco can’t do it. C.J. prefers to play in the shadows. And Suggs—who was once a vocal antagonizer—has been silenced over the years. Many say Suggs has quieted down because of his age, but my guess is the head coach told him to pipe down and not ruffle any feathers. The lack of player leadership is a red flag for the Ravens, and its staff. Many in the NFL must view the team as subpar, not carrying the same gravitas in the Ravens locker-room as it once did in its heyday. NFL teams always had Ravens’ coaches on the short list when filling personnel vacancies. Other teams believed they would get the secret sauce for success when luring a coordinator or assistant to join their staffs. Not anymore. And as a matter of fact, when the Ravens saw their season end on Sunday, three ex-Ravens coaches were either fired or forced to resign from their head coaching jobs on the same day: Chuck Pagano, Jack Del Rio, and Marvin Lewis. Funny, but I don’t believe any of John Harbaugh’s assistants have been hired by opposing teams since the Super Bowl season. The reason is simple: The kindler-and-gentler version of Harbaugh’s Ravens is toxic in a league best known for violent hits and turbocharged masculinity. Bisciotti needs to terminate Harbaugh and begin the process of culture recovery for the team. If he doesn’t, then the Ravens will be looking at another mediocre season in 2018, and beyond."

Agreed. If the Ravens do not get up in points early....RED ALERT...ALL SHIELDS UP...fasten your seat belts.

Both ways, Papa. Refs should be forced to draw straws as to what game they're assigned. Refs are as bad as the talent on the field. Inconsistent....certainly not an easy job.

With a Bengal win the Ravens could stomp the Turdible Towel Sunday and get an assist from Tom Terrific the following week, winding up with a North division lead (better division record by still needing to win out).....................or a Bungle loss drops them below the maginot line solidifying a potential #6 for the local fall Fowl. But still dropping in the draft... The Ravens are not really that good (really weak OL, play calling, etc., but this year no one stands out (Philly v Seahawks, etc.). Then again, who is a top team that stands leaps and bounds above the mediocrity?

Must be the grime rate.(quality of NFL game play)

His worst fault is not being a student of the game, for himself as well as to leading by example.

As I step back from the ledge... Jason LaConfora writes: https://www.profootballrumors.com/2017/11/gary-kubiak-open-to-offensive-coordinator-position

Helpless and frustrated. (That's me.) Harbaugh football without team leadership on the field and in the locker room has reached its destiny. After the purge and the Ravens most successful "Harbaugh" season, the question of who will lead the team was stated as "the coach". The change in the philosophical type of player drafted since Harbaugh ascended the throne has condemned the team to special teamers who cannot compete with the game changers of other teams,much less the toothless coordinators hired out of nepotism, Ozzie and Biscotti followed the path of player types and coaches (Kubiak excepted) that the head coach felt comfortable with. "I like our guys" does not answer the need for good O-linemen, at the trade date or earlier, who could make the run game consistent and the passing game (passable) possible, condemning the offense to what we see and placing the defense in poor field conditions. The Ravens have a quarterback whose skills have not been adequately protected,and whose failings not contoured to an offense minimizing then. And a quarterback whose only kahunas are the ones chucked downfield, a good soldier instead of a leader in the direction of the offenses' continuum. If we had a terrible towel, I'd be crying in it, and it would be aptly named.

Nothing electric about this current model. Prime reason, among others, why there are empty seats. Thursday night game...Do crows eat sushi?

Well, it ain't pretty, but those guys that do well always get a bunch in the second contract. By definition. What is the alternative? Sounds like a blind squirrel obfuscation.

...and pigs are growing tiny wings.

Any better than average QB , in their second contract, currently absorbs a bad percentage of cap space. A team can only "accidentally" hit a good first contract with a rookie QB to avoid it.

Certainly Joe is not functioning in this type of offense. He is very serviceable and more than adequate in an offense that builds around his strengths. A new administration can do this, just as Kubes did. Too many forget how difficult it is to find a good quarterback of even Joe's stature. Look at the many teams with their qb's of today.

It worked, we won, but I didn't like taking the foot off the pedal in the third quarter. I appreciate limiting potential mistakes. This method works, but (1)an opponent could be put away with more scoring, (2) even in a conservative mode, mistakes can be made, and (3) reduces what could be a good stat day. This is where critics accumulate stats that are used in an attempt to back up an argument. Figures (stats) can be used out of context to misrepresent the facts. In summary, it seemed to give the Raiders an ability to catch up, inciting the fans, instead of putting them away.

Joe has needed to be a student of the game from early on. Only problem, he leaves class 5 minutes early and does no homework.

So glad the offensive line is just below not perfect.

Still have a roster spot after they can IR/PUP Canady.

Perhaps everyone will believe him if he goes on Twitter.

Should have traded Ubaldo.

If we had Joe in the Boller years, many rings would be won. Instead of the one surrounding this topic.

Beginning with the Harbaugh years, the emphasis has been to draft good soldiers. We have a roster mostly of good special teamers who, in the end of games, cannot keep up with the opponent's impact player(s). I think that Ozzie has been required to bend to the thrust of the coach who infers that since he must coach these guys, they need to be within his parameters. Much the same for the offense that has really never changed through the same time period, though there have been varied OC's.

With all due respect, how often does a 2000 team defense happen? There were definite player abilities/personalities on that team that just cannot be planned.