Spen Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 Nailed it! But haven't we all seen this movie before? You know, the one where John Harbaugh hires another coach under the John Harbaugh Friends Of Family and Old Buddy Plan who then proceeds to screw up a good thing leaving Bisciotti and Ozzie to step in and clean up the mess. This debacle falls directly on Harbaugh who has once again stubbornly shown far too much loyalty to his personal coaching hires ( Caldwell is the lone FO hire ) over the needs and welfare of this team. Calwell's offense of a season ago was up tempo and aggressively attacked the middle of the field - we saw none of that this season. John Harbaugh or Harbaigh under the influence of Juan Castillo made the decision to go away from a formula that was working?What movie? That sounds like a horrible team and coach. What mess of a team is that? I have seen bad coaches inherit good teams before, it happens. Some even have brief success before it falls apart. What doesn't happen is a bad coach takes over a team and has five years of success. It just doesn't, the inadequacy would surface before that. A bad coach does not have 5 straight playoff seasons, 3 AFC championship appearances, and a Super Bowl win. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 True. Point to Spen. Harbaughs misjudgment this year was Castillo - but I don't blame him for trying something. We lost our primary receiver and Birk. Had he sat on his hands and done nothing, we would have blamed a bad offense on not making any changes. I think Castillo was a miatake, but I can't say its a "pattern." I say the bigger mistake and issue is with not making a change - to play calling and blocking - earlier. But even that is hard: how do you rewrite an offense midseason? I think Caldwell, "the only FO move," deserves plenty of blame for lame game plans and calls. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 28, 2013 Share Posted December 28, 2013 But it is the same mistake he makes so often. How about going another route. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What mistake? Trying something to make the team better? Again, if he'd sat on his thumbs and done nothing then we'd all be up in arms that there was no change despite the obvious personnel shortcomings. Harbaugh actually meddles the perfect amount I'd argue. He doesn't overdo it like so many coaches, but he's also not stubbornly stuck in some formula. That doesn't mean every decision is right but none of those options ensures a perfect product. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 The mistake of going to his BFF's. Got to thinking. Could he have sandbagged Caldwell so he could fire him and bring in a new BFF. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 What movie? That sounds like a horrible team and coach. What mess of a team is that? I have seen bad coaches inherit good teams before, it happens. Some even have brief success before it falls apart. What doesn't happen is a bad coach takes over a team and has five years of success. It just doesn't, the inadequacy would surface before that. A bad coach does not have 5 straight playoff seasons, 3 AFC championship appearances, and a Super Bowl win.So what are you saying here? John Harbaugh is a HC who actually coached a so - so team to 5 straight seasons, 3 championship appearances, and a Super Bowl win or are you saying John Harbaugh is actualy a so - so HC who has owes his record to a great FO, great field leadership and a great Ravens' football culture? If you say the latter, you might be believable, but if you say the former............ you're talkin' out your neck. Either way, there's no way in this world ( repeat: in this world - not Spen's ) you can deny that John Harbaugh's decisions on coaching hires have been a disaster. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted December 29, 2013 Share Posted December 29, 2013 JohnnyH is sole responsible for letting Joe to play today, hes not fucking hiding a thing by claiming hes not hurt...We stunk on all aspects of the game today, and anyone that says otherwise is bLINd Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spen Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So what are you saying here? John Harbaugh is a HC who actually coached a so - so team to 5 straight seasons, 3 championship appearances, and a Super Bowl win or are you saying John Harbaugh is actualy a so - so HC who has owes his record to a great FO, great field leadership and a great Ravens' football culture? If you say the latter, you might be believable, but if you say the former............ you're talkin' out your neck. Either way, there's no way in this world ( repeat: in this world - not Spen's ) you can deny that John Harbaugh's decisions on coaching hires have been a disaster. I am not necessarily saying either of those things. I think both Harbaugh and the front office have done decent to good jobs over the last 6 seasons. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I am not necessarily saying either of those things. I think both Harbaugh and the front office have done decent to good jobs over the last 6 seasons.So true Spen, you're not saying anything. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Browns fire Chud, which means Norv is available. I would love for the Ravens to give him a look, but I think they will give Caldwell another year. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 The mistake of going to his BFF's. Got to thinking. Could he have sandbagged Caldwell so he could fire him and bring in a new BFF.Though I dislike conspiracy theories, I wouldn't put it past Harbaugh trying to pull this one off. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
rastaman831226 Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Browns fire Chud, which means Norv is available. I would love for the Ravens to give him a look, but I think they will give Caldwell another year.Norv Turner? NOOOOOooooooooooooooo!! Norv's still stuck in the 80's - leave him there. How's this? Dump Castillo and any other useless assistant recommended by Harbaugh on the payroll - turn the offense fully over to Caldwell including the hiring and firing of Offensive Assistants ( as it should have been from the beginning ). It's the K.I.S.S ( Keep It Simple - Stupid ) approach to winning football. Oh and while we're at it dump Pees - his cerebral approach to defensive football got him kicked out of New England - why oh why did anyone think it would work out here? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Spen Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 So true Spen, you're not saying anything. I'm sorry that's the way you interpreted it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm against letting Caldwell go only because a new OC brings in a new offense and language that will that Joe at least two years to learn. In case anyone hasn't noticed Joe is not one of the brightest QB's in the league. Keep Caldwell and Cam's offense , add some wrinkles and get a new play caller. Joe having to learn a whole new offense is too much to ask of him, he can't even audible into the right play. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OutsideRzAcE Posted December 30, 2013 Author Share Posted December 30, 2013 Norv Turner? NOOOOOooooooooooooooo!! Norv's still stuck in the 80's - leave him there. How's this? Dump Castillo and any other useless assistant recommended by Harbaugh on the payroll - turn the offense fully over to Caldwell including the hiring and firing of Offensive Assistants ( as it should have been from the beginning ). It's the K.I.S.S ( Keep It Simple - Stupid ) approach to winning football. Oh and while we're at it dump Pees - his cerebral approach to defensive football got him kicked out of New England - why oh why did anyone think it would work out here? I'm against letting Caldwell go only because a new OC brings in a new offense and language that will that Joe at least two years to learn. In case anyone hasn't noticed Joe is not one of the brightest QB's in the league. Keep Caldwell and Cam's offense , add some wrinkles and get a new play caller. Joe having to learn a whole new offense is too much to ask of him, he can't even audible into the right play. Strongly disagree. I was in favor of giving Caldwell a full year after his playcalling took us to the SB, but after a full year I am unimpressed. He doesn't make any adjustments as the game wears on. The Bengals were blitzing all day long and we made no adjustment whatsoever? Compare that to the Bengals, who successfully countered our rush with screens and the read option. Caldwell's offense is only successful if Joe is hitting his deep passes consistently. If he can't do that Caldwell's plays aren't creative enough to fool a defense, and sometimes that's what is necessary. You want to bet the whole 2014 Season on Joe being able to hit an open wide receiver 30- 40 yards down the field? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Well if we bring in a whole new offense, Joe will be starting from scratch, which means you can kiss the 2014 and 2015 seasons away.Joe doesn't have a dominate defense he can ride the coattails of anymore. Add some wrinkles, bring in a new play caller, but to fire Caldwell and scrap this offense means another two years before Joe would be comfortable an another two years of missing the playoffs. Joe is not bright enough to have to learn a new playbook in one off season and apply it on the field, we would be taking steps backwards. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Im not get where you are implying that Joe is not bright enough.Hes an NFL SB winning QB, so he has to have some brights with him. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Terry Bradshaw won 4 super bowls and everyone knows he stupid, my God Craven just because Joe Flacco was the QB of a team that won a superbowl doesn't mean Joe Flacco is anything but exactly that. I'm not saying Joe is stupid, but he isn't the most cerebral qb out there, i believe it takes him longer to get concepts than most, but once he's got it, he's got it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm not about to get into a Flacco discussion, my point: we should keep the offense, add some concepts/wrinkles and get a new play caller, thats all i'm saying, a whole new offense sets us back. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 There QB's they're not stupid, To make a comment that we cant fire an OC caus our QB is stupid and would take him 2 years to grasp the concept, is ridiculous on many parts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 There QB's they're not stupid, To make a comment that we cant fire an OC caus our QB is stupid and would take him 2 years to grasp the concept, is ridiculous on many parts.LOL, ok Craven , thats what i said Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 You posted before I did by a second But anyhow, if you dont have the personnel you could have Belicheks system and it wouldnt work. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 I'm starting to believe that Geronimo is in fact Cam Cameron. It makes sense if you think about it. Blames everything on Joe - check. Thinks Joe is too stupid to be given some autonomy within the playcalls - check. Wants to fire the current playcaller because he took over from him and proved how crap he was - check. Seriously though, Joe was able to learn a new offense and start his rookie year. It might have been by default but when other QBs were healthy Joe was still starting. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Geronimo Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Joe as a rookie , was playing with a dummied down playbook, 2nd year also. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted December 30, 2013 Share Posted December 30, 2013 Coincidentally that was the best years of your OC'ing here Cam. You were more creative back then. It's a shame your a bitter old loser now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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