Is It Really This Bad?

[TBird]

I was just on a blog that listed the 10 most socialistic states in Europe and people on there

are saying they are not socialistic states just like people here are saying when all of

Europe has been known as socialistic.

[dc.]

DEE - In 1860 the south was just one section of the union.

 

The north was industrialized. Baltimore was famous for it's ships which is why the British

attacked Ft McHenry.

 

Did you not hear of the Industrial Revolution with trains and stuff. England was large on that.

 

In the early 1800s there were the Napoleanic Wars and a lot of artillery built in European towns

that killed millions of people. They werent agrarian.

Only two or three nations has even really begun to truly industrialize by 1850. That's my point.

[dc.]

Your just in denial about Greece's socialism. Youre the first person I've ever seen arguing that Greece

isn't socialistic.

 

You can't even agree that the Soviet Union was socialistic under Marxism.

 

CNBC is part of NBC which is as liberal as it can get except maybe MSNBC.

 

Is there any doubt who Williams voted for, or Dan Rather formerly of CBS after getting fired for

false stories.

I never said Greece wasn't socialist. I said they are not Marxist, but that's a different debate that you still can't sort.

 

I said their (Greece's) Democratic socialist policies did not cause their debt crisis so much as their fraudulent, corrupt tax system did combined with a less industrial economy than Western Europe.

 

If you can't distinguish between types of socialism at this point, USSR vs modern France, then we might as well stop discussing anything. Apparently the world is black and blacker to you.

[dc.]

I was just on a blog that listed the 10 most socialistic states in Europe and people on there

are saying they are not socialistic states just like people here are saying when all of

Europe has been known as socialistic.

Socialist policies and socialist states are different.

[dc.]

Haha. I've enjoyed your posts. I won't name names (or one name), but there is a right and respectful way to present your point of view or to express disagreement, and in this topic we were doing a really good job of it until a few days ago. I feel bad that you had to respond, but I enjoyed your history lesson

 

Through all of that, there are some really important topics that you touched upon which are equally as important as the primaries. In particular: the role of debt in an economy, China's growth rate, health care, etc. So much I would like to add to the conversation. I'll try and add a post later

Please do.

 

And I am a sucker for responding to trolls too often...

[thundercleetz]

Please do.

 

And I am a sucker for responding to trolls too often...

We should just put him on mute

[dc.]

We should just put him on mute

Then I'd REALLY have too much time on my hands. Trouble.

[Spen]

I was doing a really good job (for me) of ignoring him. I even passed by a post where he said his company gave him 25k to retire. I believe that more than anything, I can see people ponying* up cash to keep him away.

 

BTW - I am going on a cruise next week and starting a new job the following week. This proves the American economy is going strong!

 

*first time I've ever typed that word.

[cravnravn]

I was doing a really good job (for me) of ignoring him. I even passed by a post where he said his company gave him 25k to retire. I believe that more than anything, I can see people ponying* up cash to keep him away.

BTW - I am going on a cruise next week and starting a new job the following week. This proves the American economy is going strong!

*first time I've ever typed that word.

Hope it ain't to Mexico, coworker got married 2 weeks ago and took a 10 day cruise afterwards, last 3 days he and his wife were sick as dogs, he just came back to work, his new wife is still not working. They said it was worse then the flu.

[TBird]

So youre a troll if you disagree with everyone here but you allow a real troll to put

defaming pics of our QB on his every post. That wouldn't last two mins on any other

Ravens board. It's no wonder there's only a few posters here and half of them are

mods and do the insulting.

 

As for grumpy Spen - All the baby boomers were offered those buyouts and most of us took them.

I was a high grade on that job for 35 years and as a result got 80% of my salary plus

social security while you'll languish at the bottom rate of retirement by changing jobs so many

times.

 

DEE must have been listening to Nazi Reid and Durbin and the other DEMs that said Soc Sec

didn't contribute one thing to the dificit.

 

Fact Check says other wise but here's one for the trolls.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/democrats-deny-social-securitys-red-ink/

 

And speaking of Hitler, he had the same campaign slogan as OBY = CHANGE!

[TBird]

And these Americans are even crankier than Spen even though unemployment is

5%.

 

54% of Americans disagree with Spen saying the economy is poor. There are far more

Americans have part time jobs or min wage jobs or working in fast foods than ever

before. Many have given up looking for jobs.

 

 

http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/us-unemployment-rate-economy/

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Hope it ain't to Mexico, coworker got married 2 weeks ago and took a 10 day cruise afterwards, last 3 days he and his wife were sick as dogs, he just came back to work, his new wife is still not working. They said it was worse then the flu.

Never drink the water in Mexico. Only bottled.

 

 

 

And these Americans are even crankier than Spen even though unemployment is

5%.

 

54% of Americans disagree with Spen saying the economy is poor. There are far more

Americans have part time jobs or min wage jobs or working in fast foods than ever

before. Many have given up looking for jobs.

 

 

http://fortune.com/2015/11/10/us-unemployment-rate-economy/

The economy being great is fake. It is all an illusion on a house of cards. The pro wall st trickledown concept is destroying the country.

[dc.]

Just for the record, you keep saying Dee, but with the exception of one post Dee wrote to me, you've been talking to me all day.

 

As for the state of the economy, I'd argue it's better than most think right now but still flawed. I'm sure we'd disagree in the flaws. But to me a large part of the problem is a workforce that hasn't adjusted to modern realities. There are good, high paying jobs in desperate need of employees but many Americans continue to avoid those fields and our schools continue to pump out underwhelming students. No blame in that statement, just analysis. There are jobs and fields desperate for workers, just not always where we have seen them in the past.

[TBird]

The economy is going forward but it had no where to go but up, same as the stock markets,

but as this liberal CNN MONEY piece says, not moving well enough. Still stagnated.

 

So Spen - enjoy your new job in McDonalds. lol

 

 

http://money.cnn.com/2015/10/27/news/economy/us-economy-twilight-zone/

[thundercleetz]

So youre a troll if you disagree with everyone here but you allow a real troll to put

defaming pics of our QB on his every post. That wouldn't last two mins on any other

Ravens board. It's no wonder there's only a few posters here and half of them are

mods and do the insulting.

 

As for grumpy Spen - All the baby boomers were offered those buyouts and most of us took them.

I was a high grade on that job for 35 years and as a result got 80% of my salary plus

social security while you'll languish at the bottom rate of retirement by changing jobs so many

times.

 

DEE must have been listening to Nazi Reid and Durbin and the other DEMs that said Soc Sec

didn't contribute one thing to the dificit.

 

Fact Check says other wise but here's one for the trolls.

 

http://www.factcheck.org/2011/02/democrats-deny-social-securitys-red-ink/

 

And speaking of Hitler, he had the same campaign slogan as OBY = CHANGE!

We are calling you a troll because you are an at the ad hominem level at best on the argument pyramid. This is a civil topic to talk about different political matters. People are going to have different opinions. It's inevitable as people have different viewpoints influenced upon how they were raised. Instead of attacking someone and saying they are wrong, present your reasons for why you believe a certain way.

[dc.]

Also for the record, Social Security has contributed less than 200b to our 19t deficit. So I'd say it's not really contributing.

 

To tie several strands together though, a primary reason for that is that we have more retired people than ever before and living longer after retirement (though, not as long as Europeans). So we've gone from about 20 workers per retiree to 2 workers per retiree. Demographically, this isn't changing any time soon. In fact, it will continue to get worse. We're having fewer kids and living longer. Social security was supposed to help you for your final three or so years, now it's supporting people for an average of 10-15. Which is part of the reason we need more immigrants to keep our workforce functioning and substantial in size.

[thundercleetz]

Just for the record, you keep saying Dee, but with the exception of one post Dee wrote to me, you've been talking to me all day.

As for the state of the economy, I'd argue it's better than most think right now but still flawed. I'm sure we'd disagree in the flaws. But to me a large part of the problem is a workforce that hasn't adjusted to modern realities. There are good, high paying jobs in desperate need of employees but many Americans continue to avoid those fields and our schools continue to pump out underwhelming students. No blame in that statement, just analysis. There are jobs and fields desperate for workers, just not always where we have seen them in the past.

My thoughts exactly. If you are an engineer, you will be in hot demand for a high paying job. Same deal if you know how to code. Read this article the other day that talks about the learning curve when it comes to coding. Specifically, the challenges Howard University faces as it tries to establish a quality computer science department that can provide talent to Silicon Valley.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-coders/

[dc.]

My thoughts exactly. If you are an engineer, you will be in hot demand for a high paying job. Same deal if you know how to code. Read this article the other day that talks about the learning curve when it comes to coding. Specifically, the challenges Howard University faces as it tries to establish a quality computer science department that can provide talent to Silicon Valley.

 

http://www.bloomberg.com/features/2016-howard-university-coders/

I've heard a number of crazy reports recently about jobs in demand...

 

I want to say they are expecting a GAP of 10m engineers in the next decade. 10m!

 

The other was 500k current trade jobs needed - HVAC, electric, plumbing. Huge gap of people, either college and "too good" for them or not making it past HS.

 

Medical field needs tons of help. Nurses, PAs, all other assistant fields... My brother is now a respiratory therapist with shock trauma. (Part of this links to need for elderly care re extending life)

 

I'm sorry that manufacturing jobs are leaving, but that's a short term hurt. Once it was agricultural jobs leaving and then artisinal jobs... And people were mad when that happened too. But we've got to keep moving.

 

And to tie back to the campaign... I give Rubio lots of credit for his plan to focus on community college and trade schools. What doesn't get similar coverage, I think, is that Bernie's plan on college including expanding those programsa s well. It's not a promise to give everyone a diploma; it's a promise to make the options affordable if you're ready. (Too many sadly still aren't ready or willing for trade school work)

[papasmurfbell]

I've heard a number of crazy reports recently about jobs in demand...

 

I want to say they are expecting a GAP of 10m engineers in the next decade. 10m!

 

The other was 500k current trade jobs needed - HVAC, electric, plumbing. Huge gap of people, either college and "too good" for them or not making it past HS.

 

Medical field needs tons of help. Nurses, PAs, all other assistant fields... My brother is now a respiratory therapist with shock trauma. (Part of this links to need for elderly care re extending life)

 

I'm sorry that manufacturing jobs are leaving, but that's a short term hurt. Once it was agricultural jobs leaving and then artisinal jobs... And people were mad when that happened too. But we've got to keep moving.

 

And to tie back to the campaign... I give Rubio lots of credit for his plan to focus on community college and trade schools. What doesn't get similar coverage, I think, is that Bernie's plan on college including expanding those programsa s well. It's not a promise to give everyone a diploma; it's a promise to make the options affordable if you're ready. (Too many sadly still aren't ready or willing for trade school work)

The engineering issue is our poor grade school education. The powers that be like a dumb electorate but you need smart ppl to be engineers.

 

On the trade front. That is the dumb ass everyone has to go to college route the high schools push kids to even if they shouldn't. I think HS should be more like a college and you work towards your interests and abilities. If a student is good with theri hands and not great at the writing and math end show them the trades and get them apprenticed while still in school.

[papasmurfbell]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-14SllPPLxY

Almost forgot.

[Spen]

Hope it ain't to Mexico, coworker got married 2 weeks ago and took a 10 day cruise afterwards, last 3 days he and his wife were sick as dogs, he just came back to work, his new wife is still not working. They said it was worse then the flu.

No, it's not to Mexico. Doesn't matter, a decent percentage of people get sick every cruise. I'm pretty picky about stuff and didn't see anything that struck me as dirty or unsanitary on the first cruise I went on. Lol, I even did a bedbug search as they were rampant at the time.

 

*knocking on wood*

[TBird]

Just for the record, you keep saying Dee, but with the exception of one post Dee wrote to me, you've been talking to me all day.

 

As for the state of the economy, I'd argue it's better than most think right now but still flawed. I'm sure we'd disagree in the flaws. But to me a large part of the problem is a workforce that hasn't adjusted to modern realities. There are good, high paying jobs in desperate need of employees but many Americans continue to avoid those fields and our schools continue to pump out underwhelming students. No blame in that statement, just analysis. There are jobs and fields desperate for workers, just not always where we have seen them in the past.

No, I told her not to take the liberal spin - yours.

 

Then she answered me on socialism. So I've been disagreeing with her but it seems you cant

do that here since this is her board as everyone agrees with her and Cleetz even

brown noses her and I really liked Cleetz in the football forum.

 

Now we can't even agree on who is arguing with whom. Geesh.

 

Oh, and to take one more shot at Spen who thinks the economy is so great because he got a job

in McDonalds, I was just watching theTerps game with some friends and asked the bar tender

if he made big tips on St Pattys day and he said no. People aren't tipping. Just you. That's usually

one of the biggest days of the year. Same with the bar tenders in Looneys. They didn't get as much

in tips. They used to get $400 on a Fri and Sat night.

 

People are eating out but not tipping because of the ecnomy.

[Spen]

Dammit you socialist bastards! I'm so grumpy!

[cravnravn]

I've heard a number of crazy reports recently about jobs in demand...

I want to say they are expecting a GAP of 10m engineers in the next decade. 10m!

The other was 500k current trade jobs needed - HVAC, electric, plumbing. Huge gap of people, either college and "too good" for them or not making it past HS.

Medical field needs tons of help. Nurses, PAs, all other assistant fields... My brother is now a respiratory therapist with shock trauma. (Part of this links to need for elderly care re extending life)

I'm sorry that manufacturing jobs are leaving, but that's a short term hurt. Once it was agricultural jobs leaving and then artisinal jobs... And people were mad when that happened too. But we've got to keep moving.

And to tie back to the campaign... I give Rubio lots of credit for his plan to focus on community college and trade schools. What doesn't get similar coverage, I think, is that Bernie's plan on college including expanding those programsa s well. It's not a promise to give everyone a diploma; it's a promise to make the options affordable if you're ready. (Too many sadly still aren't ready or willing for trade school work)

On the job fronts, that's the problem today the generation from the early 90's thru today does not want to work. Look at your masonry field, its so bad the Mason companies owners get hefty tax breaks on travel and housing to bring in workers from Mexico. And the kicker is, they pay well, bottom laborers are paid 15 an hour, but the money they make is not bolstering our economy, when the Mexicans got paid, they immediately wired 90% of their pay check back home. So when the work slowed around the end of October, they would go back home, live like Kings because the American dollar is so much stronger then the Mexican dollar and then wait for the call in spring to do it all over again.

 

You see the same thing happen down in ocean city, heck that was the early 80's, back then it was the Russians that came over and worked in ocean city and then wired half their pay check back home 100 us dollars per week would house and feed a Russian family for a month over there. Once again earning US dollars but sending them out of the US.

 

Iam probably just as guilty, I have 2 sons, one phone call and they both could be employed at UPS, but either one of them want to work in the warehouse humping boxes and loading trucks for a year or two. I told both of them yea it's going to kick your ass, but when you gain seniority and you're able to wear the brown uniform and you get that first pay check you'll be glad. Neither of them want to do the bull work.

[deeshopper]

No, I told her not to take the liberal spin - yours.

 

Then she answered me on socialism. So I've been disagreeing with her but it seems you cant

do that here since this is her board as everyone agrees with her and Cleetz even

brown noses her and I really liked Cleetz in the football forum.

 

Now we can't even agree on who is arguing with whom. Geesh.

 

What the hell are you talking about? And I do believe this is the first post I've made on this thread that is response to one of your posts.

 

Very strange. Very, very strange.