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I was thinking the same thing.

lol, not saying its over or close to it, but I can still enjoy the INT.

Pick six!

So to sum up, if I understand correctly, if there is no NFL season next year the owners still get the TV revenue. That is money that is usually used to pay salaries that the owners can keep. If my numbers are correct - with a 5 billion annual TV contract divided between 32 owners that would be 156 million that each owner can pocket per year until there is another season. If so, man those owners are going to be hurting with 156 million in cash per year for as long as the stoppage would go. I bet that is more than most of them make for a played season.

Thundercleetz, its good to go back and forth with you and that even though we disagree that it remains civil. Again I cannot argue with his stats, they are very good, but from watching him and what I think his weaknesses are I think he is no more than average, you do not. I do not think either of us will change our mind and I get tired from arguing against players on my favorite team. For the record I hope you are correct, its much easier to replace an OC or a add a receiver or two than it is to find a good QB. My hunch is that we will be able to continue this debate next season as I, with the reasons we disagree on, do not expect anything improvement.

Exactly the same here. Genre wise and listening to others describe them it would sound like I would love them. I enjoyed "Fell In Love With a Girl" when it got airtime - geez almost 10 years ago, bought the CD and just didn't like most of it. Since then I haven't heard anything else from them (or really any of his projects) to make me give them more chances.

I have absolutely no problem with Joe speaking up and making his disappointment known. Nor with the sideline argument with Mason. However I am far from convinced this is anything other than him voicing his displeasure. Speaking up doesn't automatically make you a leader or mean you are taking control of your destiny. Also I have no idea how good of a coach Zorn was to Joe, but just because he was popular and some players said he was good doesn't mean he was doing a good job with the team. I dont know what will happen, maybe this is Joe taking a leadership role and maybe Zorn was a great coach. There is also a chance of the vocal displeasure creating a rift on the team that may create problems. We shall see.

I am amazed that no one has complained about that scene in The Terminator after this.

I am not sure whether Cam has had game plans to protect his other QBs, I just think he is doing that here. At least I think that's the reason Joe and the offense is being kept on a short leash. I also assume that is why Harbaugh doesn't have a problem with Cam and brought him back. The last two years for Joe have been pretty close. The difference between those and his rookie year to me is largely the emergence of as a dump off target for Joe. Joe passed for 2971 yards his rookie year and 3613 his second year. He also threw the ball to Rice 78 times for 702 yards his second year. (compared to 33 for 273 his rookie season) Thats your difference right there. Yeah we are just going to disagree. With the exception of the first Browns game this season I have seen every game Joe has played and have not really been pleased with his progression. We'll see how it plays out this year.

If you believe that then admit that Elway was better than Unitas because the stats say he is. And they do not lie.

I disagree completely with that. Well our weapons were good before they got here and into this offense with this QB. Well first of all Joe isn't awful I just don't think he is anything better than average. If his primary target is open Joe has a great and accurate arm and often gets them the ball. There is no helping some QBs. 2nd, if some of our previous QBs had Ray Rice to throw to as much as Joe does there stats would be better too. And yes I do think teams can create game plans to help a players strengths and hide his weaknesses and I do think Cam did a good job of doing that with Joe. I do not see Joe being more comfortable in a spread offense. He cannot see, or doesnt even look, around the field now. If it was up to me I'd keep 1 good target and have the rest of the receivers minimum wage ones or rookies. Joe's mechanics (and decision) making looked pretty suspect to me in the Steelers game. He didnt step into horrible pass he threw to Heap that was easily intercepted. I do not think he made any less boneheaded throws this year than last, he seems pretty consistent on that to me. I still think Flacco looks check down first more times than not and that leaves a lot of yards on the field. Yeah all QBs get confused at times but good ones do not as often as Joe does. Most QBs can find targets somewhere when the defense rushes three and give the QB lots of time. Not Joe.

Not always, maybe not you but some people are saying that since Joe is better than anyone we had so far that we should be happy with what we have. I dont agree, I would like to have a good QB not just 'good for us' and I do not think we have one. Joe isn't close to the QB that anyone on your list is IMO. Cam's simple game plan is to protect his QB who often cannot think or find targets IMO. I really think if they opened the offense up and unleashed Joe like most people seem to want that his flaws would be magnified. I'm not going to argue an goofy stat like QB rating in regards to how a QB is doing. Without looking at stats, and instead deciding having watched all of the games - Joe's weaknesses when he came into the league are still his weaknesses with virtually no improvement in those areas at all. He still often gets confused, he still uses the dump off far too often, he still cannot read the field, he frequently falls back onto bad mechanics, he holds onto the bar far too long, and he abandons the pocket often far earlier than he needs too.

I get tired of people saying how good Joe is because of how bad our other QBs were. Its like saying how good 'Ice Ice Baby' is because 'have you heard the rest of Vanilla Ice's struff?'. Yeah he is probably the best of a bad lot. I dont think he is a very good QB at this point. I dont think he can win a Super Bowl unless he gets in a situation such as the one Dilfer found himself in. Look at Joe's playoff numbers,and for the most part look at Joe's numbers against good teams. He may be better than most of the journeymen on your list, but as is I think he is far from being a QB that a franchise should be happy with. Frankly I wouldnt be surprised to see him have a Kitna like career when its all said and done. I am not saying they should look elsewhere (yet) because he should be given a chance to improve and grow. I cannot argue with his stats, they are very good but I think part of that is Cam protecting him and part of it are just how stats can be misleading.

I was a sophomore in high school and was in biology class doing a lab. A teacher ran in whispered what happened to our teacher and then my teacher told us all. About 45 seconds later my lab partner Kirk lit a match, shook it in the air putting it out, then waved it around leaving a smoke trail and asked "whats this?" then answered "the Challenger". I dont post that because I think its funny now, or really did even then. Its the truth and I never forgot his reaction. Honestly he probably did get a smile out of me then. It was all so shocking.

I'd agree if I thought he was learning. I don't think he has progressed much at all since his rookie season. Thats why I have little faith that he'll develop much more than he already has.

I have no problem with Joe complaining about Zorn's firing. Otherwise I agree. Sadly I think Joe is as good now as he will ever be, which in my opinion is nothing better than a journeyman QB. My gut feeling is a new OC would improve the offense about as much as firing Cavanaugh did, firing Fassel did, and firing Billick did. The amount of receiving talent we had on this team was greatly underutilized. Sure there is some blame to spread around but to me the lions share of the blame falls on Joe.

That Joe learns to read defenses and find open targets.

I am glad Harbaugh and Cam had issues with Flacco's development or lack thereof.

I had my power go out for a few hours, always fun.

I was amazed when I got up and everything was covered.....I didnt expect anything until this afternoon.

I'll watch but I expect the Steelers to win by 20.

I could care less who wins but I am planning to watch the early game tomorrow with some family members. I'll look in on the Steelers game, I don't think I sit down to watch it though. I expect the Steelers to win easily.

For what its worth I do not think the Ravens win or probably take the lead if they start Bulger the 2nd half in Atlanta. I would have just liked to have seen Bulger play at some point to see how the passing offense would have been.

Flacco did play well the 2nd half of that game, but he still only played well for half of the whole game. A pattern that was repeated numerous times the rest of the year. So while in the short term the decision was right in regards to the second half of that game, long term I am not so sure. Without wishing injury on Flacco I would have liked to see Bulger take some snaps not in mop up time to see what the offense would have looked like.

I watched it yesterday and her and her lawyer were vague about whether they would file suit and what for. If she sues for unsafe conditions in the mall her case should be laughed out of court and she should pay expenses. If she sues because of the security tape being put on the web she may have more of a case there. I know you cannot tell who it is so I am not sure she should get anything but I also dont think it should have been uploaded to the web. I at least understand the idea of a suit for that.