Goody may be GONE

[tsylvester]

Well, well, well,,, OTL has gotten a hold of emails from the comish and his security chief, to the owners.... A day before Goody told the owners he asked for the elevator tape from the po-po, his security chief told the owner's cheif, they, Goody and his croney, never asked for the tape..

 

On the union front, the new policy Good just announced, he did not send a copy to the union. They found out about it and got a copy of it, from the media...... Nothing like lying to your bosses and pissing on the union.............

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/12/mara-declines-to-give-goodell-vote-of-confidence/

Mara declines to give Goodell vote of confidence

Given that a vote of confidence often is viewed as a kiss of death, maybe it’s a good thing that Giants co-owner John Mara has opted not to provide a vote of confidence to Commissioner Roger Goodell. The better explanation could be that Mara gets it.

In an interview with Jenny Vrentas of TheMMQB.com, Mara chose not to discuss his level of confidence in the league’s Commissioner.

“That’s something I’d rather not get into,” Mara said. “Just because of this [Robert Mueller] report, and my position on it, I’d rather not comment right now.”

Mara and Steelers co-owner Art Rooney II are overseeing the investigation conducted by Mueller, a former FBI director.

Silence doesn’t mean Mara lacks confidence in the Commissioner. It means that Mara realizes (unlike some of his peers) that the report to be issued at some point by Mueller could change perceptions and realities, perhaps dramatically. Until everyone knows what Mueller concludes, no one will know how to properly react to it.

So when will we have a chance to react to it?

“Not sure yet, but hopefully sooner rather than later,” Mara said. (Some of his peers may be hoping for later — as in later than the Super Bowl.)

But while Mara seems to understand that it’s too early to make any decisions about Goodell, Mara doesn’t seem to realize the potential implications of Judge Barbara Jones recent ruling in the Ray Rice appeal.

“Well, look at what happened,” Mara said. “[Goodell] issued a two-game suspension and received a lot of public criticism for that, and rightfully so, and then upon viewing the tape, he suspended him for the year. If he had done that in the first instance, we probably would not be having this discussion. But that was not the case. He tried to correct what he viewed as a mistake and, as a result, he took some criticism for it. But hopefully, we’ll have better procedures in place going forward.”

The attempted correction came not via a legitimate attempt at rectifying the error but via an accidentally inaccurate at best (deliberately concocted at worst) claim that Rice had lied to the league when describing what happened in the elevator. Ultimately, Judge Jones found that Goodell and two of his top lieutenants testified that Rice said something Rice actually didn’t say.

Mara may see that as an effort to correct a mistake. Mueller may see it differently. How Mueller expresses his perception could go a long way toward shaping Goodell’s future.

Yes.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/12/obama-on-nfl-discipline-you-dont-want-to-be-winging-it/

Obama on NFL discipline: “You don’t want to be winging it”

President Obama seems to agree with those who say NFL Commissioner Roger Goodell has been making it up as he goes along when handling player discipline.

In an interview with Colin Cowherd on ESPN Radio, Obama said today that the Ray Rice case troubled him as it shined a spotlight on domestic violence in America.

“I think the most prominent example, obviously, was the Ray Rice situation,” he said. “I’m so glad we got more awareness about domestic violence. Obviously, the situation that happened in the Rice family was important, but it did lift up awareness that this is a real problem that we have to root out and men have to change their attitudes and their behavior.”

Specifically regarding the NFL’s response to the case, Obama noted that the league was caught flat-footed.

“The way it was handled also indicates that the NFL was behind the curve, as a lot of institutions have been behind the curve, in sending a clear message,” Obama said. “You don’t want to be winging it when something like this happens. You want to have clear policies in place. The fact that policies have now been established I think will be helpful in sending a message that there’s no place for that kind of behavior in society, whether it’s in sports or anyplace else.”

Obama said he hasn’t had a lot of time to watch the NFL this season, adding that “the Bears haven’t given me that much reason to want to watch a game.” So on the field, Obama does not approve of his team’s performance. Off the field, he also thinks the NFL has some work to do.

 

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/12/12/league-says-espn-article-distorts-testimony-in-rice-case/

League says ESPN article “distorts” testimony in Rice case

Initially, the NFL had nothing to say aboutESPN’s article based on the transcript of the Ray Rice appeal. Now, the NFL is saying plenty.

“The ESPN article written by Don Van Natta distorts the testimony and evidence in the Rice matter,” the league said in a statement. “Among the numerous inaccuracies in the story, there are no emails or any other evidence from an NFL investigator stating ‘I never contacted anyone about the tape.’ That is a quote not from an email, but from an argument by Rice’s own attorney mischaracterizing the evidence. The email in fact explains that, despite his multiple efforts to do so, the investigator was unable to speak with anyone from law enforcement about the tape. The email details the efforts the investigator took in an effort to obtain any and all evidence in the Rice matter. Those steps included contacting and seeking information from the Atlantic City Police Department, the New Jersey State Police, the Atlantic City Solicitor’s Office and the Atlantic County Superior Court.

“As the email explains and as NFL Security Chief Jeff Miller’s testimony made clear, none of those agencies was willing to provide the League with any information or evidence beyond copies of Rice’s indictment and pretrial intervention records. The suggestion that the league never attempted to contact anyone about the tape or that the Commissioner’s September 10 memo to the owners was inaccurate is simply incorrect. In fact, the Commissioner’s memorandum fully and accurately described the league’s investigation, and Judge Jones did not find otherwise.”

That’s a far cry from the league’s prior deference to the confidentiality order issued by Judge Barbara S. Jones.

“The transcript and entire proceeding, other than her final decision, were subject to a confidentiality order signed by Judge Jones,” the league previously said. “We will continue to respect the process.”

The change of heart likely comes from the allegation in ESPN’s article that Commissioner Roger Goodell told owners in an email that the video had been requested from the Atlantic City Police Department one day before the league’s lead investigator told NFL Security Chief Jeff Miller that a request had not been made to the Atlantic City Police Department.

It’s a bad look for whoever is wrong. And there’s one way to figure out who’s right and who’s wrong — the entire transcript plus all emails and exhibits should be released publicly. If the NFL or the NFLPA are interested in the truth getting out, one or both should ask Judge Jones to lift the confidentiality order. Or they should simply disregard it. The case is over, and she has no lingering jurisdiction over the parties or the controversy.

Of course, this entire dispute overlooks the fact that Rice had the video and the NFL failed to ask him for it. Along with the fact that the NFL probably didn’t need to see the video to know what it showed. But if ESPN has swung and missed on such a key allegation, next year’s Monday Night Football schedule could look a lot like next week’s Thursday Night Football finale.

 

[tsylvester]

This is the 2nd time they have gone after Don because of his ACCURATE reporting. They were proven wrong the first time and are wrong this time. Shame on the NFL.

 

Quite the turn around for Mara, who, before the hearing was giving Goody all the praise and votes of confidence. Now, no comment? That speaks volumes, one thing the Mara family claims to stand for is truth and clearly, Goody lied to them and they are not happy....

[tsylvester]

Moeller's investigation is over. No surprise, the speghetti is under done, he is not gonna sauce me, this report, it's guidlines mimic exactly the new policy for DV, this report stinks worse than a rotten garlic clove.........

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It is being said liberally that the report is BS and the NFL just paid for an outcome.

[tsylvester]

OK, let the worm turn.... With Kraft now demanding an apology, once the Pats are cleared, hmmmm could Goody be ducking for cover?

 

One story out there is that the NFL was trying to run a sting operation to catch the Pats "cheating".

 

Another, is that the NFl is now just covering for their officials who never used an air gauge to check the lbs in the footballs, simply used the Charmin test, hey, don't squeeze that.........

 

Either of these "stories" would certainly explain Kraft's latest strongly & carefully worded statement to the media at the Super Bowl....

 

So does Goody issue an apology at the end of this?

 

No matter which of the many stories comes to be true, there is no evidence, so far, to prove the Pats purposely deflated the footballs between the time of the pre game suspension and half time....

 

If he doesn't and the Pats are found to be innocent, is his relationship with Kraft and thus, all the other owners who support Kraft, over?

 

Maybe Kraft is just blowing smoke to make it appear he is angry with Goody, to give Goody a chance to show: hey, he is strong, he stood up to Kraft......

[cravnravn]

Why would the Pats be cleared? They fn cheated

[tsylvester]

Why would the Pats be cleared? They fn cheated

 

 

That is your opinion, but so far, there is no proof, none, that they, Bill, & Tom, had anything to do with this issue.

 

Again, if either the stories I mentioned are true, that would make the NFL guilty, not the Pats.

[cravnravn]

If there was any doctoring of a ball by a dude making 8 fillars an hour you can bet he was ordered to do so by the qb,

[tsylvester]

If there was any doctoring of a ball by a dude making 8 fillars an hour you can bet he was ordered to do so by the qb,

 

 

He didn't have time crav. No matter what "some claim" they did to replicate the action, none of them, NONE used a gauge, they just used a pin. These footballs, according to reports, were all the same weight, you can't do that with just a pin.

 

Thus, 19 seconds is not enough time.

 

This is really smelling like the NFL officials did not do their job properly to start the game.

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He didn't have time crav. No matter what "some claim" they did to replicate the action, none of them, NONE used a gauge, they just used a pin. These footballs, according to reports, were all the same weight, you can't do that with just a pin.

 

Thus, 19 seconds is not enough time.

 

This is really smelling like the NFL officials did not do their job properly to start the game.

I agree that it looks like the refs screwed up and just ignored part of their job. Also someone else touches the ball every play other than Brady. The refs.

The NFL needs to provide the ball for the game. They should be broken in some but teams should not be providing them.

[tsylvester]

I agree that it looks like the refs screwed up and just ignored part of their job. Also someone else touches the ball every play other than Brady. The refs.

The NFL needs to provide the ball for the game. They should be broken in some but teams should not be providing them.

 

 

Keep in mind, he, the ball boy, had all the footballs for the game, for both teams, when he went to take a leak... Yep, this is on the NFL, whether it was the refs or the league trying to set up the Pats and catch them for supposedly doing this in other games...

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rsv03qdcKXg

This explains it all.

[JPPT1974]

LOL On that Kimmel Video!

[tsylvester]

Another loss for Goody, not good......

[vmax]

 

 

In fact, in light of Goodell's ever-lengthening string of legal setbacks, it is time for some of the league's power owners -- hello, Bob Kraft, John Mara, Jerry Jones, Pat Bowlen, Dan Rooney, Jerry Richardson -- to do what once was thought unthinkable.

They have to fire their commissioner, redefine the job, reset the league's relationship with the players' union and bring in an outsider, someone with no ties to the league or one of its teams, to create a new era of intelligent leadership. http://www.msn.com/en-us/sports/nfl/owners-must-act-replace-power-hungry-goodell/ar-AAdUVuk?ocid=iehp

 

"I concur."

Edited September 3, 2015 by vmax

[tsylvester]

As one NFL exec put it, one for the thumb for Goody.....

[tsylvester]

Another owner speaks out about the way the comish needs to "change". Arthur Blank

http://www.myajc.com/news/sports/football/blank-said-brady-ruling-is-unhealthy-for-nfl/nnX4P/

 

“It’s not healthy for the NFL to be in the kind of litigious position that it’s been for last several years,” Blank said. “I think that the commissioner is working hard to hold up the respect and integrity of the game, the competitive balance of the game and the shield. Having said that, I think we have to find ways to get to a better place sooner with the NFLPA than the process that we’ve gone through.”

 

 

 

 

“This deflategate thing which isn’t about deflategate any longer, it’s about what has been collectively negotiated for decades in terms of the commissioner’s responsibility in terms of disciplining players,” Blank said. “If we have to look at that differently in today’s light, in today’s environment, as an ownership group we should be prepared to do that. The commissioner should be prepared to do that.”

“I don’t think they should be re-bargained in a federal court. Having said that, I think the commissioner and the ownership around the league have to be prepared to look at things, look at change and change may be appropriate.”

 

 

[thundercleetz]

Goodell has a $150M buyout, he's not going anywhere.

 

http://larrybrownsports.com/football/roger-goodell-buyout-cost-150-mill/272291