Biscut's presser

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No one here has made them out of be such a thing max. Contrary to some, cough, cough, who have made Biscut & the Ravens out to be....

 

say it so I can refute it.

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http://sports.yahoo.com/news/while-going-on-offensive-against-ray-rice--ravens-owner-offends-014117290.html

While going on offensive vs. Ray Rice, Ravens owner offends

One comment from Baltimore Ravens owner Steve Bisciotti on Monday perfectly captured where the NFL is on its sudden learning curve from the domestic violence dark ages toward a place of responsible awareness.

It was when he was asked about Janay Rice.

"She's still the one who's suffering the most," Bisciotti said. "She's still suffering because now she has an unemployed husband."

Yes, Ray Rice's wife is definitely the one who is suffering the most. But no, she is not suffering the most because she has an unemployed husband. She is suffering the most because she was punched in the face by the man she says she loves.

This isn't the first tone-deaf, borderline misogynistic comment we've heard from a member of the NFL community lately. It's just the latest, and perhaps the most revealing.

The good news is that the league and its owners have realized – to their credit – that domestic violence has been ignored for too long. That's part of what Bisciotti's words made clear on Monday. "The league never elevated domestic violence to the platform it should have been on," he said.

The bad news is that a lot of the prior obliviousness is still here. When asked about whether any women were consulted in his admittedly flawed decision-making process over the past few months, the Ravens owner veered into a joke: "If I can get [senior vice president] Kevin [byrne] out soon," he said with a smirk, "maybe we'll replace him with a female."

Completely leaving female perspectives out of a domestic violence discussion was a failure for the Ravens, on more than one occasion, and Bisciotti made light of that. He seemed genuinely remorseful about how all of this happened, but was far too unremorseful about his own blind spots.

"I'm 54 years old," he said at one point. "I can't change on a dime."

That's troubling because he has to change on a dime. The whole league does.

Another example: Bisciotti expressed his fear that a zero-tolerance policy against domestic violence will make his players targets. But as we've learned through this entire crisis, the victim has very little to gain through a false accusation. It was Janay Rice who went to enormous lengths to protect her assaulter, including going through her sad appearance on the very dais where Bisciotti sat Monday. Domestic violence is rarely fabricated, yet Bisciotti's thinking will make many believe it can be and will be.

"This is going to be really, really easy to threaten [a player] and get some money," Bisciotti said, "because the minute they threaten in season, he gets cuts and suspended for six games."

Bisciotti went even farther, proudly informing the media that he has encouraged his players to be more paranoid in social situations.

"It is healthy to be paranoid," he said. "Every minute you're out, think, 'Somebody is going to put me in a bad situation.' If you think that way, you're going to be a lot closer to the man you want to be by the time you're out of here."

It's hard to imagine a young player becoming the man he wants to be by stereotyping strangers as threats. Again, Bisciotti is in the hazy middle: he's right to advise his players to be more cautious in public, but he's wrong to cast women as money-hungry demons. Saying Janay Rice suffered most because her husband was cut by the team only reinforces the idea of relationships as transactional. Domestic violence experts say assaults are about power and control, and Bisciotti is sending his players a message that women (and jealous men, too) are always conspiring to wrest power and control from famous NFL players. It's often the woman in a player's life who is trying to protect her husband or boyfriend from exploitative men. It's often the woman who should be trusted most.

Meanwhile, almost in the same breath, Bisciotti confessed to having almost no paranoia when it comes to his own players. Asked if he would be more careful to trust members of the team he owns, he didn't hesitate to wave off the idea.

"I'm not going to look at my guys and say, 'Which one's the next one to disappoint us?' "

In other words: women can be a threat to make something up, but not my Ravens.

That's telling, considering the news conference was set up to debunk what Bisciotti feels are mistruths being fed to ESPN by Ray Rice's camp. There is real reason to doubt Rice's honesty, as well as that of those advising him. So it's both farcical and irresponsible for Bisciotti to blindly trust his players and also advise them to watch out for liars who want to bring down his franchise. He himself wasn't vigilant enough: "I was not prepared to take the worst-case punishment against somebody I have incredibly loving feelings for," the owner said. "Because I care about him." If the owner is going to be more wary going forward, he should be more wary of everyone.

At this point, the one person most likely to wreck the reputation of the NFL is Roger Goodell, if the commissioner lied about seeing the videotape of Rice striking his fiancée sooner than he's claimed. Either the commissioner is fibbing or Rice is fibbing. Somebody is lying here, and it isn't a woman.

Goodell has taken the brunt of criticism for this mess, but Monday was a reminder of exactly what his "shield" is protecting. That, in an odd way, is an endorsement for keeping the commissioner in place. He may not get it yet, but he might be farther along than his bosses. When asked if he wanted Goodell removed, Bisciotti said no, insisting, "This is as good a chance for the league as any."

That chance is being anchored down by cultural biases even a candid owner doesn't seem to see. It's possible the NFL is finally on the right track, but we were reminded again on Monday just how lengthy that track really is.

 

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I like Eisenbergs opening line...haven't

 

 

 

Eisenberg: People Will Believe What They Want To Believe.

Like a piece of art, the truth can look different from different angles, depending on your perspective.http://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/article-1/Eisenberg-People-Will-Believe-What-They-Want-To-Believe/f58d4c7a-f20b-4500-914e-2b8e29dc0794

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Just like when he didn't have the thought, have the desire, have a care in the world what was on the tape, never crossed his mind.... Just like, oh why bother,

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Just like when he didn't have the thought, have the desire, have a care in the world what was on the tape, never crossed his mind.... Just like, oh why bother,

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Just like when he didn't have the thought, have the desire, have a care in the world what was on the tape, never crossed his mind.... Just like, oh why bother,

 

I'm not dumb enough to believe that.

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You know, just generally, some defending Steve keep using words to describe his performance that bother me... Words like, handle the reporter or show them their place ...

 

Those aren't words that until the belief that all is well, just that a sharp tongue is at work.

 

He did fine. But he hardly settled anything.

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Because as posted above the media will keep it going for no other reason than hits for the web sites not to mention more yellow journalism.

 

Mark Felts was Deep Throat. His family portrays him as a patriot and whistle blower but he leaked information for personal reasons. He had worked for Hoover for over 28 years and was heir to the directorship. Instead, Nixon gave the job to a former Admiral and intelligence officer Patrick Gray so Felts had a grudge to settle. Felts also hated the way Nixon used the FBI. Felts was convicted for organizing unauthorized break-ins at the homes of Vietnam protesters in the name of national security.

 

As a consequence of these illegal break-ins, in 1980 he was convicted in a criminal trial and charged for having “conspired to violate citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.” However, in a few months after the conviction Ronald Reagan pardoned Felt.

 

When he was old with dementia. Woodward went to him to see if he could reveal his name as Deep Throat. He finally came

out of the closet. Nixon said it was him all along. The plumbers actually broke into the Watergate Bldg 14 times. Hunt, a former CIA operative who headed up the plumbers didn't want to go back in. It wasn't lucky. They did it 13 times w/o a hitch, then they're caught on the 14th just as feared. They got caught as a result of a comedy of errors of too many hands

in the pot starting with G. Gordon Liddy.

 

But LBJ had Nixon's phone tapped and found he was talking to a gal with connections to the South Vietnamese gov't d

who wanted peace talks with the North that LBJ was interested in but Nixon didn't want it til he became president and

got the credit for ending the war. LBJ forwarded tapes of the conversations to Hubert

Humphrey the DEM candidate vs Nixon. He didn't use them because he was ahead in the polls at the time but just

barely but LBJ had his own tapes.

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You know, just generally, some defending Steve keep using words to describe his performance that bother me... Words like, handle the reporter or show them their place ...

 

Those aren't words that until the belief that all is well, just that a sharp tongue is at work.

 

He did fine. But he hardly settled anything.

Why do those words bother you. He was the one being attacked by a phony reports. He gave a clinic on how to handle yellow

journalists who lied about his activities. The reporter couldn't even explain his own question to him. So Biscut was just supposed to roll over and play dead? He was fighting for his ownership. He simply turned the tables around because the truth was on his side. That's why all the guys above said he did fine and will be ok sharp tongue and all.

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You know, just generally, some defending Steve keep using words to describe his performance that bother me... Words like, handle the reporter or show them their place ...

 

Those aren't words that until the belief that all is well, just that a sharp tongue is at work.

 

He did fine. But he hardly settled anything.

Agreed

 

 

Because as posted above the media will keep it going for no other reason than hits for the web sites not to mention more yellow journalism.

 

Mark Felts was Deep Throat. His family portrays him as a patriot and whistle blower but he leaked information for personal reasons. He had worked for Hoover for over 28 years and was heir to the directorship. Instead, Nixon gave the job to a former Admiral and intelligence officer Patrick Gray so Felts had a grudge to settle. Felts also hated the way Nixon used the FBI. Felts was convicted for organizing unauthorized break-ins at the homes of Vietnam protesters in the name of national security.

 

As a consequence of these illegal break-ins, in 1980 he was convicted in a criminal trial and charged for having “conspired to violate citizens’ Fourth Amendment rights to be free from unreasonable searches and seizures.” However, in a few months after the conviction Ronald Reagan pardoned Felt.

 

When he was old with dementia. Woodward went to him to see if he could reveal his name as Deep Throat. He finally came

out of the closet. Nixon said it was him all along. The plumbers actually broke into the Watergate Bldg 14 times. Hunt, a former CIA operative who headed up the plumbers didn't want to go back in. It wasn't lucky. They did it 13 times w/o a hitch, then they're caught on the 14th just as feared. They got caught as a result of a comedy of errors of too many hands

in the pot starting with G. Gordon Liddy.

 

But LBJ had Nixon's phone tapped and found he was talking to a gal with connections to the South Vietnamese gov't d

who wanted peace talks with the North that LBJ was interested in but Nixon didn't want it til he became president and

got the credit for ending the war. LBJ forwarded tapes of the conversations to Hubert

Humphrey the DEM candidate vs Nixon. He didn't use them because he was ahead in the polls at the time but just

barely but LBJ had his own tapes.

Larry Flint has one of the great fights for freedom of speech. He didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart. He did it to be able to publish porn.

 

Ellsburg leaked the pentagon papers. Not really understanding what the history part was related to.

 

 

Why do those words bother you. He was the one being attacked by a phony reports. He gave a clinic on how to handle yellow

journalists who lied about his activities. The reporter couldn't even explain his own question to him. So Biscut was just supposed to roll over and play dead? He was fighting for his ownership. He simply turned the tables around because the truth was on his side. That's why all the guys above said he did fine and will be ok sharp tongue and all.

There is no proof the report is phony. Biscotti gave his side. that side has yet to be confirmed.

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Look again Smurf - this is as close as admitting they're wrong as they will get and they don't even cover their Shipley error.

 

ESPN clearly has it's head up its ass at this point.

 

 

We understand the confusion surrounding our use of italics and recognize we could have been more clear,” ESPN said Tuesday in a statement. “Most importantly, the information in our story about the contents of the texts was consistent with what the team released.”

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Agreed

 

 

Larry Flint has one of the great fights for freedom of speech. He didn't just do it out of the goodness of his heart. He did it to be able to publish porn.

 

Ellsburg leaked the pentagon papers. Not really understanding what the history part was related to.

 

 

There is no proof the report is phony. Biscotti gave his side. that side has yet to be confirmed.

1. Larry Flint has nothing to do with this. The name I used but deleted was Larry O'Brien, DNC chair who was supposed to

set up Nixon with a lie about taking $200,000 cash when he was on IKE's ticket. Nixon was supposed to be after dirt on him

in their headquarters bldg according to Liddy. All they found in the safe were dirty pics of his assistant which Liddy mentioned

on his radio show and was promptly sued by the guy but the judge dismissed the suit when Liddy showed him the evidence-lol.

He still had the pics.

 

2. The plumbers were also supposed to be looking for dirt on Ellsburgh in the headquarters bldg. Why they thought they were

there I don't know but Nixon was always obsessed with Ellsburgh. The cases are related. The judge threw Ellsburgh's case out

when the same plumbers broke into his office while the trial was going on.

 

Chuck Colson, Nixon's dirty tricks guy, when to prison for six months for pleading guilty and giving evidence in the Ellsburgh

break-ins. He had nothing to do with Watergate.

 

Ellsburgh and Watergate are related. Felt as mentioned above was also convicted for the Ellsburgh break-in but was

pardoned by Reagan.

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Look again Smurf - this is as close as admitting they're wrong as they will get and they don't even cover their Shipley error.

 

ESPN clearly has it's head up its ass at this point.

 

 

We understand the confusion surrounding our use of italics and recognize we could have been more clear,” ESPN said Tuesday in a statement. “Most importantly, the information in our story about the contents of the texts was consistent with what the team released.”

All press make mistakes. That is why they correct them after the fact. There are still questions to be answered. I wonder if the Ravens will make Darin the head of security available for interviews.

 

 

 

1. Larry Flint has nothing to do with this. The name I used but deleted was Larry O'Brien, DNC chair who was supposed to

set up Nixon with a lie about taking $200,000 cash when he was on IKE's ticket. Nixon was supposed to be after dirt on him

in their headquarters bldg according to Liddy. All they found in the safe were dirty pics of his assistant which Liddy mentioned

on his radio show and was promptly sued by the guy but the judge dismissed the suit when Liddy showed him the evidence-lol.

He still had the pics.

 

2. The plumbers were also supposed to be looking for dirt on Ellsburgh in the headquarters bldg. Why they thought they were

there I don't know but Nixon was always obsessed with Ellsburgh. The cases are related. The judge threw Ellsburgh's case out

when the same plumbers broke into his office while the trial was going on.

 

Chuck Colson, Nixon's dirty tricks guy, when to prison for six months for pleading guilty and giving evidence in the Ellsburgh

break-ins. He had nothing to do with Watergate.

 

Ellsburgh and Watergate are related. Felt as mentioned above was also convicted for the Ellsburgh break-in but was

pardoned by Reagan.

If Flynt has no relevance neither does Felts.

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All press make mistakes. That is why they correct them after the fact. There are still questions to be answered. I wonder if the Ravens will make Darin the head of security available for interviews.

 

 

 

If Flynt has no relevance neither does Felts.

 

 

There's a difference between mistakes and deliberate lies. They got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

ESPN is looking bad now, not Bisciotti. The rest of the country outside of Bmore isn't even paying attention

about the Ravens anymore. Everyone is sick of the ESPN story..

 

 

Felt was deep throat. He provided the leaks to the Wash Post. He's the guy who brought down Nixon

 

Flynt's case was based on the 1st Amendment and came 20 yrs after Watergate.

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So you know the intent? Can yo bring KVV here so we can ask him questions too? I wish I could remember her name but a USA Today writer blasted Biscotti for parts of his presser Monday. So I would hold off on your absolutes when it comes to him. Where do you get your info about what the rest of the country is thinking. I see it being talked about in many media outlets so I would say it is being talked about nationwide.

Neither Felt or Flint had squat to do with football in the 21st century.

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LOL - NO, I can't bring Kvv in here but here's the next best thing, his original piece with 16 edits/changes due to errors since the story came out but you will probably say it's only 16 errors.

 

BOOM - YOU'VE JUST BEEN SHOT AND SO HAS KVV.

 

Im proud of our owner and team even if you're not.

 

http://deadspin.com/heres-every-edit-espn-has-made-to-its-otl-ray-rice-rave-1638729696

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You have seen the correction area of a newspaper?

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Why do those words bother you. He was the one being attacked by a phony reports. He gave a clinic on how to handle yellow

journalists who lied about his activities. The reporter couldn't even explain his own question to him. So Biscut was just supposed to roll over and play dead? He was fighting for his ownership. He simply turned the tables around because the truth was on his side. That's why all the guys above said he did fine and will be ok sharp tongue and all.

 

We'll just have to agree to disagree.

 

"handling the media" implies that you're manipulating them and turning some trick. I don't want them handled. If you have nothing to hide, if you've done nothing wrong, there's nothing to 'handle.'

 

I'm not saying he did poorly. I'm saying that his "handling" of their questions and his "one-upping" of their attempts to "get him" do not prove him innocent. They prove nothing about what happened except that he was able to "handle" what they threw at him without getting at the real matter.

 

Again - not a statement of what is true or not. just a statement that we can't say what's true and not based on a presser.

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LOL - NO, I can't bring Kvv in here but here's the next best thing, his original piece with 16 edits/changes due to errors since the story came out but you will probably say it's only 16 errors.

 

BOOM - YOU'VE JUST BEEN SHOT AND SO HAS KVV.

 

Im proud of our owner and team even if you're not.

 

http://deadspin.com/heres-every-edit-espn-has-made-to-its-otl-ray-rice-rave-1638729696

 

Did you read the edits you just linked?

 

With the exception of Shipley (which, by the way they changed simply to say within an hour of the game)... the rest are either stylistic/grammar (in fact at least twice they simply remove the term Casino from the Revel's name) or they are minor items (the value of M&T Bank was off by $5m). That's your "BOOM" moment?

 

KVV did some work here that hasn't been shot down in any meaningful way. And Bisciotti's presser didn't answer anything. It gave us another side, but we've yet to see any definitive evidence - especially from the Ravens.

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Side note - I have rewatched Steve's Q&A and read the transcript... when exactly did he stump a reporter with a rebuttal?

I note two major moments where he really pushes and gets in a tit-for-tat with a reporter:

 

1. Asks why they didn't release details sooner, Steve says why would we until we were accused, and the reporter DOES push back and says why not release more details of your investigation to justify your response (or lack thereof). Steve's response is that he did answer a lot of questions when the two game suspension came out. My take? That's not a super impressive answer - though I know what Steve was getting at. But if he's implying that he had this level of detail (Darren Brown, etc) about his attempts to investigate, that's a lie. If we had known all that, ESPN wouldn't have a story in the first place.

 

2. Reporters asks about the Goodell "why is ignorance an excuse now if it isn't for players, etc?" Steve pushes back and eventually gets to saying pretty much, "because we've corrected our behavior... it's all better." My Take: that's bull, because if Sean Payton had said "I have it under control now, Commish" we all know he still gets suspended. Steve also eventually follows up with the most quoted/replayed part of the conference when he says he's really sorry he didn't see the tape sooner. My take: that still doesn't answer much about how it didn't come to be part of the investigation, except he says, it didn't! Oops! That hardly answers any of the accusations about all the chances they had to see it and simply ignored.

 

If I'm missing the moment you think a reporter was "stomped" let me know. But I think those are the best two examples, and in both cases, I don't think Steve comes out looking any better (or worse) than before. I especially think the first is a total dodge - again, I understand what Steve is saying, but it's just not accurate. If the investigation was more transparent... well, first, Ray would have been really punished... but second, ESPN wouldn't have anything to report because half their story would be old news!

 

http://www.chatsports.com/baltimore-ravens/a/Transcripts-Steve-Bisciotti-Press-Conference-1-10443653

Edited September 25, 2014 by dc.
Added link to transcript

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But DC if 1 small think is wrong the whole thing is. Like if Joe throws an incomplete pass the Ravens will lose the game because every aspect of the the Ravens game must be perfect to get a win.

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Also DC it doesn't say why would would want to be so intellectually uncurious about what happened in the elevator. Unless that was the plan. What is that called? Plausible something?

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Also DC it doesn't say why would would want to be so intellectually uncurious about what happened in the elevator. Unless that was the plan. What is that called? Plausible something?

 

Yeah, precisely. But some people are satisfied with that "well, I just didn't even want to know..." and it files neatly under the "they were thinking the best of Ray!" that we've heard before. That's Steve's best defense, really. But it's not in any way a factual defense - as I said - because it doesn't actually answer "well, what did you do when you KNEW there was a video and you KNEW it was available to you at no charge?"

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I am sure in aerotech when he was making his busienss he took info from people he liked and never verified that it was accurate. I am sure the billions just rolled in being so trusting of everyone around him.

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Did you read the edits you just linked?

 

With the exception of Shipley (which, by the way they changed simply to say within an hour of the game)... the rest are either stylistic/grammar (in fact at least twice they simply remove the term Casino from the Revel's name) or they are minor items (the value of M&T Bank was off by $5m). That's your "BOOM" moment?

 

KVV did some work here that hasn't been shot down in any meaningful way. And Bisciotti's presser didn't answer anything. It gave us another side, but we've yet to see any definitive evidence - especially from the Ravens.

 

Man, you're mind is so closed on the subject.

 

He just went on WBAL today and said the Shipley mistake was an editor's mistake. That's a major admission of error right there and getting

shot down. He owes Biscotti an apology for that alone. LOL. Yea, he's supposed to read the final copy and correct the editor

and how would the editor know to put Shipley's name in there unless he was told. It's not like Shipley is a house hold name. I had no idea Denver picked him up. They must have been desperate but he got Joe killed last year.

 

Another fact they've been unable to prove is Bisciotti playing golf in Atlanta with Goodell and meeting with him. Bisc denied it at the

presser and he hasn't been corrected.

 

Anyway, he even said on BAL that he could understand Ravens getting upset about the text messaging comments.

 

This is bad journalism from the writer and the editor and why ESPN is ducking for cover but some minds can't see it for their prejudice vs

Bisciotti.

 

You also missed the reporter who couldn't even re-phrase his OWN question when asked. I saw that during the presser. Bisc said what are you asking me and the guy got flustered and took a long time answering. Everyone was laughing.

 

Guys like Skip Bayless who always zaps the Ravens and his partner said Bisc did fine and will be OK but some minds here still don't get it.

 

Geesh.