vmax Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 "With the win tomorrow, Cam Cameron will have won more games in Miami this season than he did all last year as the Dolphins' head coach." Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I could not agree with you more. What matters most is what these teams have done this year. And after a slow start at 2-4, Miami has all the stats pointing to a slight edge in this game--the edge of a deciding turnover. Which is all I have said all along. This year's Miami Dolphins protected the ball better than any other team in NFL history. It obviously kills you that Pennington is the most accurate passer in NFL history and you don't want to here about his career leading 67% completion rate. So let's focus on this year---but it doesn't matter because this year Pennington had, you guessed it, a 67.4% completion rate and led the league again. But I know, the statistical sample size is insignificant, kind of like your brain. Let's look at interceptions thrown by Flacco and Pennington. Flacco threw 12 for an int % of 2.8; compared to Pennington's lead leading low of 7 picks, int. % 1.7. That's this stats, pal. And let's look at the defense this year. Yeah, Baltimore led the league in takeaways, but not much ahead of Miami (34-31). And down the stretch, the Miami D had one more than Baltimore in the last 5. These are the facts this year and suggest a takeaway advantage. Add to this year's facts the historical facts that you despise (rookie QBs have lost 6 of 8 in their playoff debuts and the 3rd seed in the AFC has won 7 of 8 in wildcard games) and yeah, I feel really good that Miami has an edge in this game, albeit a slim one at 13-10. And what do I hear from you aside from rambling nonsense? The only thing you have of substance is the October game that Baltimore won. Good luck relying on that one. See what that does for you tommorrow. When Baltimore beat Miami, Pennington was only with Miami for 2 months. Obviously, he was new to the system and his receivers. And Miami was 2-4. If you think Baltimore is facing the same Miami team tommorrow, enjoy your day in delusionville. Get real pal. These ain't your mother's pansy dolphins and tommorrow your team is going to get a dose of its own medicine- a good punch in the mouth by a tough Miami team. Miami 13-Ravens 10 Here we go again... First, the sample sizes on completion percentages and interceptions are not small. They are huge. That's why I told you to use those stats instead of the BS stats about "rookies losing games" and "Cameron never winning in the playoffs." Please. Follow your own advice. Read. I WANT to talk about good, real, football stats. And I am happy to. I am happy to dissect every reasonable angle of this game. Do you not see the difference between 6 rookie quarterbacks starting playoff games and a season with more than 300 pass attempts? Really? As for me using real stats... again... read. In my first post I said I was going to discuss a single point of your argument. And that I have. If and when I feel like it, in another thread perhaps, I'll try to talk real football with you. But reading these replies you have to others (and myself) that seems fairly impossible. Plus, I just don't feel like overtalking it. I've been writing for weeks about football and my brain hurts. You said tons of stats point to a Baltimore win tommorrow. name one. I bet you know what I'm going to start with... READ. I never said there were tons of stats pointing to a Baltimore win. I said there were tons of stats pointing to why BOTH teams SHOULD lose. Again, this goes back to your meaningless stats about rookies and Cameron. But, since you asked... here are some quick reasons Miami "shouldn't" be able to win tomorrow... they fit right in with your kind of stats! Tony Sparano is 0-3 as an NFL coach in the playoffs! (2003, 2006, 2007 with Cowboys) Chad Pennington is only 2-3 career (he wins just 40% of his playoff games!) Teams Bill Parcells has been a part of haven't won a playoff game since 1998 (Jets) and Parcells hasn't won a Wild Card game sine 1985. So... just how much do these numbers mean? Nothing. Just like your numbers about rookies and Cameron and whatever else. They just don't mean anything. We could keep going back and forth... you could point out that Baltimore is 2-5 all time against Miami or that home teams win 65% of the time in the wild card round... and I could point out that in playoff re-matches, the team to win the previous game almost always wins the rematch... Talk REAL football. Not STUPID stats. With that, I am done. If a real thread opens up tomorrow about real football, I'll talk. Oh... and TOMORROW is spelled the way I just spelled it. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 lol. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ravinmaniac52 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I think it would be easier to just say that there is someone here that doesn't understand Ravens football and how they win games. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ravensfan1 Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Hey oggie when you get a chance check out the fourth quarter comparison between Flacco and penny and then tell me which qb acts like a rookie. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dc. Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 I don't like it when you laugh at me, Dee. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Aww. You know that wasn't at you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 After watching both games yesterday, let me just say this in oggie's defense: Winning on the road in the playoffs is very difficult, even for league MVPs. If Flacco can win today, that would really say something about his poise. I really think we are going to benefit from Flacco's low key demeanor today. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
STLRaven Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Will we see him again? I vote no. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 In AFC playoff history, under the present format, the 3rd seed has won 87.5% of the "wildcard" games. Miami is the 3rd seed this year. Rookie QBs lose their first playoff game 75% of the time. Cam Cameron has never won a playoff game as an offenisve coordinator. His teams are 0-2 against AFC east teams in the playoffs; and he is 0-1 against Chad Pennington in the playoffs. The odds are stacked in favor of Miami. Cam Cameron ain't going to help you in this one. Maybe after Miami wins 13-10, Cam Cameron will fully explain those infamous words "fail forward fast" . We're still waiting for that explanation. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 But if there is any team that can deal with the ball hawking ravens D in the playoffs, I believe it is Miami, which excelled in protecting the ball. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Miami will do what it has done in the last 10 games to become the team that has committed the fewest turnovers in NFL history. There is no reason to change their game. Pennington will do what he has done since that game in October to protect the ball better than anyone in the league. Why change? Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freakylick Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 ... Cam Cameron will fully explain those infamous words "fail forward fast" . We're still waiting for that explanation. Let me help you out...I can assure you that it didn't mean throw 4 int's in one game. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 But I'll take my chances with a tough Miami team playing at home against a rookie quarterback, coached by Cam Cameron, in the playoffs any day. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Don't worry, the Ravens are not evenly matched with the dolphins. Miami 13 Baltimore 10. Oops. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
smokeyjon Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Oops. :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest BallTMore Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 :lol: @ dee. Ed Reed is amazing. I think Harrison will win, but Ed also deserves the DPOY award. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Dunno Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 The only thing you have of substance is the October game that Baltimore won. Good luck relying on that one. See what that does for you tommorrow. ... If you think Baltimore is facing the same Miami team tommorrow, enjoy your day in delusionville. Get real pal. These ain't your mother's pansy dolphins and tommorrow your team is going to get a dose of its own medicine- a good punch in the mouth by a tough Miami team. Miami 13-Ravens 10 Just to be sure that there is no substance in the October game argument, let's look at the final score again, from several different web sites. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deeshopper Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Just to be sure that there is no substance in the October game argument, let's look at the final score again, from several different web sites. Actually, when he said "If you think Baltimore is facing the same Miami team tommorrow, enjoy your day in delusionville." he was right. The Ravens faced a much worse team. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thundercleetz Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 Actually, when he said "If you think Baltimore is facing the same Miami team tommorrow, enjoy your day in delusionville." he was right. The Ravens faced a much worse team. LOL :lol: Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MichelleRavenFan Posted January 4, 2009 Share Posted January 4, 2009 hehe Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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