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What Grub said, honestly, JLC has been wrong more than weather forecasters. How he still has a job in radio is beyond me. As for you being right papa, Bravo, but when other fans are right and you are wrong, old buddy, you don't give them props either. In the end, we are fans, know nothing compared to coaches or execs on a team no matter how long we spend on the net.

lol. Yep. I still can't really login unless I'm using incognito. So weird. But I'm in and I'm back!

I just found out that WBAL-TV is streaming this on their website tomorrow rather than broadcasting it like I thought. So, if you're interested in seeing it, fire up your internet tomorrow at 11:30am and go to their website. I'm guessing that maybe the Ravens website might have it too.

Thanks, tsyl!

How true. Best not to get too full of ourselves because of our limited knowledge. For the most part, all we can really do is speculate, which is 'fun' but not always factual. Now that a choice has been made, let's give Minter at least a year to get the team on his wavelength. I wanted Kubiak or Denver's DC but that didn't happen. I think Minter has just as much potential as either of them.

By the way, just read that a 'source' says Kliff is 'not high on Minter's list of potential OCs'. Take that for what it's worth.

Jesse Minter is chosen.

If they do, just for shits & giggles, say do that, they have to fix the line completely. He is not a statue, but he would get killed behind this current line. They cant do what they did to Joe, or even Elvis when they signed him to replace Dilfer. Pocket passers need a pocket, it is what made it easier for Aikman to be in the Hall. He talks about that a lot.

Do you recall yrs ago I said he had outsized control over the roster. There has to be a reason we kept grabbing Jim’s broken toys Al, the time.

I agree, very good owner, inviting Lamar to sit in on the interviews, great sense of humor. His passion for the team came through loud and clear. A great watch/listen

I thought that was a pretty refreshing conference. I think we're lucky to have Steve as our owner

If that is an answer to my question we have a winner.

Like the quarterback that sets a franchise up for 5+ years of success or turmoil for 5 years. A new head coach, all new assistants, training staff, in game adjustments, clock management, could set this team up or destroy it. When Billick was fired, the same "fear", consternation, gripped players, fans alike. While Harbs had his issues, a bottomless pit of a dog house, in game management, he also brought us what 6, 7 division titles, and couple of conference championship games, several ending in heartbreaking fashion, two missed field goals, a dropped/fumbled touchdown/two point conversion. A miraculous last second 70+ yard bomb to win and go to a Super Bowl, which they won, despite a huge power "failure" just after half time. Yes, Harbs had his issues, most if not all coaches do, but hopefully the next head coach is at least as winning as Harbs.

Someone posted Flores HC/McDaniel OC and Schwartz DC..that sounded good if Flores proves not to be a headcase

Some thought he was, some thought he wasn't. Maybe I was not clear, sorry

Wonder what deacon jones whould have if they kept the stat.

https://www.audacy.com/stations/1057thefan/shows/inside-access-cceaf/episodes/c9f3c5b5b2cc the first 15 mins have some shocking stats.

This may be one of the most important offseasons in team history. If the Biscuit is not careful, this team can go down hill for a long time and the new name of the stadium will be Empty bank Stadium. His hopeful profit from the sale of the team will be quite reduced

I'd hate to see Monken go. I don't think he is the problem. And, not to add fuel to the fire, but I thought Harbaugh threw Monken under the bus several weeks ago during the 1-5 run and I didn't like it. I got the impression Harbs was saying it was the offensive coaches fault that the offense was having such a difficult time. It pissed me off at the time especially since wtf gives a guy with only a special teams background the balls to dump on his OC when that OC had created the best offense this franchise has had in all of its existence? I really thought it was a cheap shot and showed a lack of class by Harbs. Accountability is just a word to him.

The Ravens are currently pretty sickening to watch. I have to think it's time to take stock as you said and see what is needed to turn the team around. In my estimation, they need a new LT (I think Stanley is gone), RT(Rosengarten is mediocre at best), LG, RG, and, if Linderbaum leaves, a new C. They don't need any additional skill players at this point. On defense, I'd say they need 2 pass rushers, and I don't mean injured guys trying to make a comeback or old retreads. And I don't mean guys having a great year from lower rated colleges. I think it's impossible to do all this in one off-season. They need at least 2. Interestingly, that's the time Lamar's contract will end unless he renegotiates. Take that for what it's worth, but it could very well mean we need a new franchise QB in 2028. Preferably, a pocket passer who's mobile and not a mobile passer who needs training as a pocket passer. So that's pretty much a major teardown and rebuild. Oh, and let's not forget, we need a new coaching staff. What we fans will need: some patience. This won't result in a sudden, major turnaround.

It is put up or shut up time for the Ravens. Oh, they are saying the right things simce their five game winning streak came to a crashing end at the hand of the dismal Bengals. The problem is, they have been saying the same things all season and the results are always the same. From the abismal play of the offensive line where on one play they open a gaping hole for Henry to run untouched for 20 yards, only for him to be tackled for a loss the very next play. Or maybe the time they give to Lamar who stands back there and threads a pass 20 yards down field between two defenders, only for him to be sacked on the very next play, as soon as he receives the snap. Well, it isn't just the line, Lamar has not been consistent either. He fails to secure the ball when fleeing the oncoming rush, leading to a sack fumble as he cannot seem to decide to take off and run, or throw the ball. But wait, the recievers are also a culprit in this inconsistent offense, to out it mildly. They fail to gain seperation in a timely manner and drop passes that are perfectly thrown. To make a long story short, the defense is also inconsistent, so which team takes the field against a hated division rival in a game that will likely lead to either the Ravens winning the division or the Steelers. So, who ya got?

That was a pathetic game on both sides. Neither team wanted to win.

Last chance at the OK Corral this week. You are so right about their inconsistency. You never know which version of the Ravens will show up. I have no clue about who will win this game. I do know that we will see the same mistakes being made as before but I am hoping there just won't be as many. If there are, the Steelers win ugly. It's either that or we win ugly. I'm hoping the negative press in Pitts regarding Lamar of late, gets under his skin and we eke out a victory. As you have said before though, is that what we should really want? This team needs a club-wide shakeup at the end of this season.

Let's consider our current problem. We have an injured QB with declining running skills but competent passing skills at worst. We have an O-line that could use a massive infusion of new talent. We have an aging RB who seems to have both lost a step and who is suffering from the O-line's inability to create holes. Our receivers are damned good. The D is already a work in progress with a good secondary but with limited talent at LB and D-line. Finally, our franchise QB is about to hit the last 2 years of his contract with a massive cap hit unless it's re-worked or he's traded or he realizes the effect that the 2 years big outlay keeps the team from improving and thus renegotiates his contract. I'd say the optimal solution is to get Lamar to stay here with a renegotiated deal/extension. The trick here is that he needs to be agreeable to that goal. If he is not, then we have to hope we can trade him. Whether he stays or goes we still need a lot of resources poured into the O-line and D-line pass rush. We won't be able to do that quickly if he stays unless he gets a new more cap friendly contract. No new contract means the team will just wilt away and die over the next 2 years. If Lamar stays with a more cap friendly contract, we can actively go about re-doing the O-line and D-line/pass rush and stay competitive for several more seasons. If he leaves we've got to find a new franchise QB and as Tsyl points out, that could be a long and frustrating task. And we still have to re-build the O-line and D-line/pass rush anyway. So the key to me is, does Lamar, and his Mom, really want to put us in cap hell and be a losing team for the next 2+ years? Or, does he sign up for lower cap hits and we can start grooving again sooner? The answer to that is all in Lamar and his Mom's hands.

That’s the issue now. These guys who barely play in college don’t get to show enough. Look at the kid in Indy.

I'm OK. Thanks for asking. Just been taking a break from dealing with how this team wins so ugh-ly for the last 5 games. I can only stand to read/talk about them so much because they look like they're a lost team. No emotion or energy from either the players or coaching staff. I can only blame Harbs but my better half says his wife is ill though I haven't been able to confirm that. I also think Lamar's banged up body coupled with the lousy O-line play makes the offense, well, offensive.

The same thought occurred to me.

Well, he's been injured for 22 games over the last 2 years and has only 3 sacks so far this year, so I dunno.

They are still in striking distance. Get those adjustments made.

A total farce. The Ravens are a walking SNAFU.

I expect more of Bullock & or Cleveland in this game, should open holes even you could run through

I have issues with him. But I questions Turdy's outsized influence on personnel. I have seen to many harbaugh nepo fixer upper picks. That is all John. That screams he has huge influence on who is brought in. The scouts have been undermined.

But you will get coach speak about how proud he is of them and how everyone is accountable.

I don’t think he is leaving now at all. Feinbaum and co made this a media issue. The agent would have said jump or not. This kid will make more in nil in school than dropping out of the 1st.

Monk is a class act.

Joe getting hurt made the call for him. Like I have said along for the ride. No decisions that make the team win or lose.

Yes. He said he wasn’t leaving the team to his kids. He negotiated the renovations that will produce a lot more revenue. He is maximizing value now. The only reason is to get the largest return on a sale.

Let’s trade a coach.

Jones back...Stanley and Washington still out

Looks like I’m actually going to see the game. I was going to the Willie Nelson show so was going to miss watching.

No d will be l8ke the 2000 team. The rules are so different now.

Nobody has told me what he did to win that sb. As always along for the ride. if a mouse is on a bullet train that travels at 350 mph between cities is it the fastest mouse in the world? No. If that train derails did the mouse just sitting in the corner make it happen? No. The mouse was along for the ride and whatever happens happens.

Agree about Rush. I'm pulling for him. Yeah, I saw the Starks /Mosley article. Actually, I'm hoping Starks is better than Mosely.

A nice little write up and slide show for camp thus far https://www.wbaltv.com/article/10-developing-storylines-second-week-ravens-training-camp/65566468

I know I'm really looking forward to it. I'm ready for some football!

Here it is, official: https://www.baltimoreravens.com/news/mike-green-rookie-contract-ravens-second-round-pick-2025. Good...one last distraction.

Well I guess a bunch of 2nd rounders will lose a season of pay and a season of service time.

If I were the team I’m bring catering with me.for just that reason.