oldno82

That list is a few weeks old. I'd like to see it re-done now. Or better yet, at the end of the season.

Well, he hasn't exactly set the world on fire here. He hasn't had much to work with though. I don't think he's an essential cog in the Raven's wheels.

Any surprises we can generate during the rest of this season will be good ones. I don't think there's any more bad surprises left.

I think you're right. Allen and West could be a nice shot in the arm for the Offense. With Schaub,maybe he'll bounce back and be effective. With the state of our OL and WRs though, I think I'm drinking purple kool-aid there. And that leads me to say, maybe we should have seen this season coming after the lousy pre-season we had. It showed we had no depth and that our second stringers on down couldn't win a game or hold a lead. I'm not usually a believer in preseason performance, but maybe I should be.

There's a lot that has to go right for us before we get in the playoffs again. Cincy and Pburgh both have a lot more talent than we do and they seem to do it every year---lately. I know Ozzie loves to draft BPA but that sure hasn't worked with the Matt Elam and Arthur Brown picks. And the jury is out on Perriman. I'm pulling for him to be what we need but at the moment, I'm not even sure he'll get on the field for us ever. The biggest problem we've had is drafting way down the line every year since 2008. During that time the Bengals and Steelers have rebuilt. I just can't see us being in their class next year. It's going to take quite a while.

Preston's take: http://www.baltimoresun.com/sports/ravens/bs-sp-preston-ravens-column-1124-20151123-column.html.

The last 6 games are going to be so bad, it doesn't matter a rat's ass who backs up Schaub.

Really bad news about Joe and I hope he's not out for a full year, but that is quite likely. If he was ever going to get injured, this was the season to do as someone else pointed out. That first round pick of ours just might be a QB if we draft high enough. Bad, since we needed so many other positions too. Sure has been a depressing year. All we need now is for Steve to sell the team!

I'm beginning to think Harbs and his staff make no impression on this team.

There's so many holes that they're caverns. And we don't have many core players: the O-line and the D-line is about it.

I don't have much faith in Linta, Joe's agent. We need a substantial cut from Joe's contract or else I'd say let him go. There's no player in the NFL that's worth 28 Million per year.

True, Crav. But if he won't restructure we're going to need all the cap space we get can get. We need WRs, a power RB, probably a new LG, at least one more CB, pass rushers (Suggs will be beyond his prime when he returns), and if Joe goes a new QB. I think that's going to take more than one year of rebuilding.

It's going to take more than one season. We have to be in this for the long haul. Whatever, I feel comfortable with Biscuit and just hope he doesn't decide to sell before the re-construction is done.

And way too many ******** penalties!

Don't know about a SB win, but I'd bet we would have beaten the Pats.

I don't think we've hit rock bottom yet but we're very close. The loss of Steve Smith is a killer. I haven't seen any other offensive playmakers to date. For that matter, there's been no defensive playmakers either. But that wouldn't stop me from going to the game. If I could afford the tickets.

That means opposing offenses have a lot of time to complete passes. We're not getting anywhere near the pressure on opposing quarterbacks that we used to get. If they can find a way to step up the pressure then there would be more INT's. More problematic is why we aren't causing any fumbles either. That one has me mystified.

We have nothing to lose and potentially a lot to gain.

Here's another thought: the biggest difference between the failure of the 2013 and 2015 seasons vs. 2014 is that Gary Kubial isn't the OC anymore.

Another find: Devante Parker who was taken before Perriman hasn't played or practiced either. http://www.nfl.com/news/story/0ap3000000563750/article/report-small-chance-of-kevin-white-playing-in-2015 So maybe things will work out for Breshad next season.

I looked up all the wide receivers who were taken in the first and second rounds after we took Perriman and was surprised that none of them have really contributed much so far. The 'standouts' had only about 7 catches so far. So thier production isn't a whole lot better than Perriman's...so far.

Linta doesn't sound like such a dickhead after hearing the audio part of that interview.

Couldn't agree more, Max. We've got to open up the downfield routes so we can get 'chunk' yardage. The passing game will then set up the running game too. But, are our receivers talented enough? That's what bothers me.

Bottom line is that we'll all find out for sure at the end of this season or next if he takes a restructured contract. I hope he does but I sure don't feel certain.

dc, that's a reasonable question. Maybe it would be better to wait one more year. But at some point we'd still have to bite a big bullet. What really bothers me is Joe's agent. I think Linta's a real a--hole after the comments he made after the new mega-deal was signed. He showed no class. I really don't think Joe would mind restructuring but I get the feeling this guy Linta will do everything in his power to maintain the status quo. It might be the Ngata situation all over again but with bigger long term implications.