OutsideRzAcE Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Pretty much the same debate we have had here, but it's an outsiders perspective. Is Joe Flacco An Elite QB? I agreed with Ashely Fox until she started listing Eli Manning and Michael Vick in her group of QB's who were "Elite". Yea, no. Those guys aren't better than Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Dam, we posted this at the same time. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenMad Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 To be honest, both of them make perfectly valid points on the subject. It is hard to judge Flacco because there has always been something holding back the passing game. Whether it be the play calling, WRs or the O-Line. Flacco has also shared some of that blame but he gets a pass on the criticism because he is still a very young QB. What I saw on Sunday in the 2nd half of the Cardinals game is exactly how Flacco should be operating to get him into rhythm. Shotgun spread with some quick passes and some options deep in a hurry up format. Rice can be effective running out the shotgun because there is even more space for him to run in. Once he has established a rhythm you then can afford to get into more I sets and run the ball and throw playaction passes especially if you have got the lead. It is a simple formula that the Ravens should ride until someone stops it (more than likely stopping it involves Cam wanting to do it his way) Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 To be honest, both of them make perfectly valid points on the subject. It is hard to judge Flacco because there has always been something holding back the passing game. Whether it be the play calling, WRs or the O-Line. Flacco has also shared some of that blame but he gets a pass on the criticism because he is still a very young QB. What I saw on Sunday in the 2nd half of the Cardinals game is exactly how Flacco should be operating to get him into rhythm. Shotgun spread with some quick passes and some options deep in a hurry up format. Rice can be effective running out the shotgun because there is even more space for him to run in. Once he has established a rhythm you then can afford to get into more I sets and run the ball and throw playaction passes especially if you have got the lead. It is a simple formula that the Ravens should ride until someone stops it (more than likely stopping it involves Cam wanting to do it his way) I couldn't agree more. Part of what makes coaches great is assessing their players' capabilities and then designing situations that maximize their strengths. Flacco seems to love the run and gun style format. Give it to him! Let him do what he's good at. He still needs to work on all aspects of his game, but the majority of play calls should be to Flacco's strengths. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 53% Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 .8% you forgot that Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Plus the highest he ranks in any category is 12th he may grow some but at this point he is not elite nor great Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 He hasnt ever completed half a year with his new toys, talk to me week 17 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 This argumant is trite now. I say just let it play out now. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Exactly... Joe and Elite QB in the same sentence is premature at best right now. Sunday night will offer a test of sorts for young Joe. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 I don't think Joe will ever be Elite but that doesn't mean the Ravens can't get to and win a Super Bowl with him.They have done nothing but win with him at Quarterback so he's just fine. He's having an off year this year. Having a poor O line and only 1 vet receiver will do that to a QB. He was the 7th ranked QB last year. That's close to Elite.Joe's a tough dude. No fear. He doesn't bitch...he plays hurt without the drama like that Diva in Pittsburgh. Win Sunday night and he takes a step toward Elite.Play well in the playoffs and that's a big step.Win the Super Bowl??? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 When he plays through a broken nose and foot and wins let me know. When he gets hit as much as ben let me know. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 When he plays through a broken nose and foot and wins let me know. When he gets hit as much as ben let me know. You mean Jen?BTW..Jen was horrific in "his 1st Super Bowl win". The team won inspite of him...well...with some big help from the Refs too. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 3, 2011 Share Posted November 3, 2011 Joe played great in his o wait Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 When he plays through a broken nose and foot and wins let me know. When he gets hit as much as ben let me know. Joes rookie year, and heres the difference, nobody knew of his hip flexor he rec'd during the Vikings game, it was never divulged til the off season..Where as as soon as the Steelers lost the SB, Jen has a broken foot..Its nice having that built in excuse card in the hip pocket, isn't it?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Ummmm ben had a broken foot since week 8 last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 But it wasnt divulged til you all LOST the SB, thats a fact!! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 No it was all the place and amd i remember before the last regular season game against the ravens is when he had the special shoe made and all the ravens fans were saying he had a built in excuse if the steelers lost Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Further more when he sprained it earlier this year they said he still had his shoe from that he wore last year Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Unfortunately Ben will not QB past 32 with much success. He's the new McNair. That's 3 years left. Pitt should be thinking about a replacement, cuz no matter how tough you are injuries and age ALWAYS catch up. Let's not through Favre in this mess, he did not sustain the injuries that Jen and McNair have. They're both incredibly tough, I'll give you that, but playing through and sustaining those types of injuries take their toll on the human body. Take that to the bank. We know what McNair was like after 32. He did have one great year here, but he was just too beat up to finish what he started. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Ben didnt scramble once last week he sat back and hit the open wr his game is changing he is becoming more of a pocket passer he has at least 5 left un him but yinz just keep prating he is done in 3 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 If yinz played the 32nd ranked D 16 straight games, then I'd agree..But you dont you all in the Big Boy division. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 3rd time over 360 this year that ties him for the most with brady and someone else not rodgers he only has 2 Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 McNair looked great at Jens age too. I'm not praying that he's done early at all, just stating a fact that is the most likely scenario. I'd rather compete against the great rivalries that stomp on a bunch of rookies or vets that can't play. Just making an honest assessment, if he keeps taking the hits and same type injuries his career will end before it would otherwise. Concussions start to become an issue as men get older in the NFL. Especially QBs. If he's smart, (which I don't think he is because of the rape crap, motorcycle accident, etc) he would develop his game so as he doesn't have to hold the ball as long as he does. I'd rather he did mind you cuz I want the Ravens to compete against em every year! Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thesteelhurtin Posted November 4, 2011 Share Posted November 4, 2011 Yeah i can see yoir point there and it looks as if he is trying to do that. Also it looks as if the line is starting to come togather which he has never had. Pouncey gilbert amd foster are all young amd if colon could ever stay healthy he is not young but he is not old either. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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