vmax Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Suggs now has 49 tackles, nine sacks, three forced fumbles and two interceptions on the year.http://blogs.baltimoreravens.com/2011/11/29/suggs-wins-afc-defensive-player-of-the-week/ Wow! 2nd time this year he's won Defensive Player of Week. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
reddog271 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 DPOY in his future?? Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 DPOY in his future?? MVP of the year, hes being named after Rogers & Brees Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
varaven45 Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Great season for Suggs. He has a tendency to bring his A-game to the national TV games and disappears in the "lesser" games. Here's hoping Suggs' head (ego) doesnt explode and keeps the foot on the pedal the rest of the season, esp Sunday at Cleveland. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 Sounds like a guy that's overpaid ;). I love his tenacious style of play. He's ferocious, but not dirty. For alot of players that's a fine line to walk. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cravnravn Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 We paid Suggs, hes producing..Pay Ray Rice and we will get the same.. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 We paid Suggs, hes producing..Pay Ray Rice and we will get the same.. I agree...Ray won't take a step back.He has the character, work ethic and pride. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 But his body could betray him. That happens all the time. Had JO's toe not betrayed him he might still be playing. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
vmax Posted November 30, 2011 Author Share Posted November 30, 2011 But his body could betray him. That happens all the time. Had JO's toe not betrayed him he might still be playing. I get that. The shelf life of an NFL RB is short.Franchise him at $7 mil a year for the next 2 years. He's rich. The Ravens have him in his prime. Everybody wins.You will not get a draft pick equal to Ray Rices value...plus even if you get a pick that's close, it's not a sure thing that player will pan out. Ray's a sure thing. You don't give up sure things...unless you get some outrageous offer. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted November 30, 2011 Share Posted November 30, 2011 The tag is for $7.7 next yr. For the 2nd use of it if it went from the last CBA would be $9.25 mil. That is rather high for a RB. Like you said nothing is sure. Not even knowing a player will not break down on you. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Still think that using the franchise tag twice makes sense. Then, the Ravens might have the bargaining position to give a contract if Ray is still performing. Likely one that is favorable from the Ravens' perspective. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Using about 1/12 of your cap on a RB is quite excesive. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Yeah, but Ray Rice really keeps this offense going, there's no question. If you have a great RB in their prime, you keep em going. I'm not saying commit long term dollars, but their's no question as to RR's impact on this offense. The teams gear to stop him, not Joe. He's dynamic and a playmaker. I don't mind paying guys for that. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Does he really keep the offense going. I have watched it flownder several times this season and he was on the field. If they had a heavier back I think they would have better production. It is not Ray's fault but he is not matched to the other personell. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 When the offense has floundered, Ray wasn't given the ball. The heavier back stuff doesn't hold water cuz they used that to get rid of Priest Holmes. Holmes went on the be on hell of back and a TD machine. We need to use Ray properly. Right now I think Cam is trying to for square pegs (his game plans) into round holes (the players strengths and abilities). The best OC's are ones that recognize players strengths and capabilities and create game plans that play to them. How many times have we seen Boldin running deep routes when we know Boldin is a slot receiver. How many times have we seen a jump ball with Boldin? Also not his forte. We've also seen Joe being forced to drop back from center when he's a natural shotgun QB. There are numerous examples. I don't believe that Cam's running plays are geared to Rice's strengths. Just my honest opinion. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Have you not read what I write. Priest went to an O that worked to his strengths. Jamal put into the same system and was elite. It is about working to your parts strengths. Pick what you are and get the parts that work best together. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 My point being, I think that RR can be more effective here if he's allowed to do more of what he's good at. Priest could have been good with the Ravens too. I'm not really disagreeing with you, just saying I think more can come out of RR right here. If I have a north south runner, I pound him in the middle. That's what we do! If I have a shifty guy that reads holes well, I run counters, draws, pitches, etc. We have Ray running alot of what a north south runner would run. We don't have any good stretch plays that Rice would love to eat up. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 Then you really have to change up the OL. You really don't need Leach. You need an OC who uses his RB that way. To me it would be far easier to go power and replace a single guy that has value. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yagersports Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 But we have what we have. The OL can block those for those plays. Of course we can use Leach, Foster isn't a north south runner, he hits the hole and cuts. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 1, 2011 Share Posted December 1, 2011 They are trying to zone block with this OL. They are not bult for that. So no they can't do that kind of blocking. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 I've come around to agreeing with Max. I like the idea of using the Franchise Tag on RR. That way he gets his payday, we get a good back short term and can have a year or two to draft a new one. Everybody wins. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 No he really doesn't get his payday. That is why players don't like the tag. He wants about a $20 mil signing bonus. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
oldno82 Posted December 2, 2011 Share Posted December 2, 2011 No he really doesn't get his payday. That is why players don't like the tag. He wants about a $20 mil signing bonus.He'll have to settle for $17 million under the franchise tag instead. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papasmurfbell Posted December 3, 2011 Share Posted December 3, 2011 Well if he were to be injured in 2012 then he would get $7.7 mil and miss out on the big cash. That is what these guys are afraid of. Quote Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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