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#21 oldno82

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Posted 05 November 2018 - 02:43 PM

I agree except they do need to eject from the Flacco era before 2019. They'd still have dead money but they would save more than they would be obligated to. Besides, I can't see letting a $20+ million qb sitting on the bench pouting. The sooner they find out about Lamar the better. I have no real idea of he'll succeed but I've always been leary of qb's who love to run. That said, I don't think he's getting a fair shake in how they're using him right now. Let the kid throw some.

 

We are in for several years of losing. I just hope the fans are patient. The Browns' fans remained loyal through all the crap that they've been subjected to. We have to also.


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Of course, any plan to solidify the passing game depends largely on how much Jackson improves as a passer in his second pro season. While he made some plays with his arm as a rookie, he wasn’t as consistently accurate as anyone wanted. He acknowledged to reporters earlier this month that he knew his mechanics needed work.

Jackson said he has been working on those mechanics and other aspects of his passing since February.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 03:30 PM

Yep, it was ugly in 2006 -2007.  We endured and then Harbs, Flacco and Rice entered the picture.   I can see 2-3 yr of ugliness, followed by competitiveness and playoffs.

The sooner the better.  Hell, we might even beat the Steelers and Cincy to the bottom and we may all be looking up the Brownies.  Ha ha !        


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 03:36 PM

Weird news from Harbaugh on Dixon
 

Harbaugh on Dixon's status: There’s issues going on with him that are beyond our coaches control. We just have to wait for league clearance. I don’t even delve into that because it’s not my concern. Ozzie takes care of that. When he tells us he can practice, he’ll be out there.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:42 PM

 

Agreed on Joe.  I'd give FO through 2019 to determine whether Lamar is the guy.  Since there aren't any franchise QBs until 2020, I'd target that year for moving on or retaining, though I think its the former.

A yr of eval is really not fair to the QB.  Brees, Smith, Brady, Rodgers, and many others took longer than that to evaluate.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:44 PM

 

Weird news from Harbaugh on Dixon
 

Harbaugh on Dixon's status: There’s issues going on with him that are beyond our coaches control. We just have to wait for league clearance. I don’t even delve into that because it’s not my concern. Ozzie takes care of that. When he tells us he can practice, he’ll be out there.

 

Sounds like a PED issue.


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:48 PM

yeah, like maybe there's an appeal going on?


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 04:49 PM

exactly


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Posted 05 November 2018 - 05:51 PM

https://www.baltimor...1105-story.html

 

John Harbaugh wants Lamar Jackson more involved. The Ravens are considering 'every option'

 

Could Jackson get a series to himself after the Ravens’ bye week? Even when Jackson has entered competitive games, Flacco has played under center or lined up wide as a receiver.

“I would say that’s an option, yeah,” Harbaugh said at his weekly news conference. “We’ve talked about that option, too. Every option that you’ve thought of, we’ve talked about. So yes, that’s a possibility.”

 

 

Please Steve don't fire me is what I get from this.


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Posted 06 November 2018 - 10:06 AM

The signs were there all season, sure, the defense "played great" in spurts, but just as in past years, after a few games, they lost their legs. If you watched, the defense gave up a 10 pt lead heading into the 4th against the Saints, then the collapse, the lack of hustle, the following week. Now this week, they plaid tired, they played as if they did not want to get hurt. They followed players, rather than rock & sock em. Clearly this defense is, was not playing for the team, the coach, the fans, but I saw players playing for a new team next year, knowing the salary dump is coming.

 

This organization has let Joe down, never giving him a decent line, no real play makers; they got very lucky to win a Super Bowl; be glad.

 

But Ozzie and the front office made huge mistakes the past 10 years in the draft and free agency. Maybe it is their scouts, but the buck stops somewhere. Every message board fan has said which players were going to be busts before the draft, yet Ozzie took em, those fans shown to be correct.

 

The latest move to waste a 7th round pick is not so much about losing the pick, but in the type of player they traded for; another bust.  Was it Eric or Ozzie?

 

Time to move on, we, they all know Joe is not going to be back and this trick pony show every time the offense gets moving, passes the 50, is killing this team.

 

Jackson is not ready but who cares at this point, start him, this season was over before it began, we knew it...


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Posted 06 November 2018 - 10:31 AM

Why is it Joe needs ppl so much talent around him?  He is paid like a guy who can make guys better.  So thats on him.  

 

How about maybe Ozzie was never that great.  This FO was made by Belicheck.  He put all the peices in place in Cle.  As the scouts and oter talent evaluators left maybe Ozzie was not capable of hiring the same quality and grooming them the same way.


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Posted 06 November 2018 - 01:18 PM

The signs were there all season, sure, the defense "played great" in spurts, but just as in past years, after a few games, they lost their legs. If you watched, the defense gave up a 10 pt lead heading into the 4th against the Saints, then the collapse, the lack of hustle, the following week. Now this week, they plaid tired, they played as if they did not want to get hurt. They followed players, rather than rock & sock em. Clearly this defense is, was not playing for the team, the coach, the fans, but I saw players playing for a new team next year, knowing the salary dump is coming.
 
This organization has let Joe down, never giving him a decent line, no real play makers; they got very lucky to win a Super Bowl; be glad.
 
But Ozzie and the front office made huge mistakes the past 10 years in the draft and free agency. Maybe it is their scouts, but the buck stops somewhere. Every message board fan has said which players were going to be busts before the draft, yet Ozzie took em, those fans shown to be correct.
 
The latest move to waste a 7th round pick is not so much about losing the pick, but in the type of player they traded for; another bust.  Was it Eric or Ozzie?
 
Time to move on, we, they all know Joe is not going to be back and this trick pony show every time the offense gets moving, passes the 50, is killing this team.
 
Jackson is not ready but who cares at this point, start him, this season was over before it began, we knew it...


This is spot on. Thank you 👍. I 100% appreciate your comment about winning the Super Bowl in 2013 . This organization is damn lucky to have 2 SBs in the last 20 years. Its going to take a helluva FO overhaul and super dynamic coach to lead us to another one in the foreseeable. But Im hopeful and ready for this team to roll the dice and get out of this funkarama. Now.
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Posted 06 November 2018 - 02:27 PM

The question is whether Steve is more Art or more Mike Brown in his decision making?  The FO needs a whole new makeup and that requires Steve to make the hires needed to get that going.  Art did that originally.  Steve has been living off that legacy for a long time.  Now he has to make the calls on his own and ride with them.


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Posted 06 November 2018 - 02:59 PM

Yep, lots of guys living off the legacy of Art, Ray and JO.  Time for some new legacy makers.   The problem :  who ?

 

We've seen how Snyder and Jones have ruined the Skins and Cowboys.  Just like Angelos and the Os.

Its practically unfixable (maybe already is).  Like the high paid divas, the owners have theirs ($) and winning is secondary or tertiary.

 

I just hope the Biscuit doesn't sell out to some greedy, strict money making machine with 0 interest/passion for football.      


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 12:25 PM

https://www.cbssport...week-1-of-2019/

 

 
Jason La Canfora: 'I would be shocked' if John Harbaugh is coaching Ravens by Week 1 of 2019

We are approaching hot seat season, a time of year when the reality of a team's record begins to manifest itself in the form of various coaches being shown the door. Hue Jackson is already out in Cleveland and while it looked like before the season we might see minimal coaching changes, there are a number of different coaches who could be shown the door.

CBS Sports NFL Insider Jason La Canfora -- who detailed his full list of coaching hot seat candidates here -- joined the Pick Six Podcast -- it's a daily NFL pod, you should listen below and subscribe here: via iTunes | via Stitcher | via TuneIn | via Google Play -- to talk about who we might see getting fired.

One team he's sure will end up being on the market for a new coach? The Baltimore Ravens

"I would be shocked if John Harbaugh would be back. I said as much before the season, because I thought they were going to go 8-8 like they always do. And that's not going to be good enough, and Harbaugh and [assistant GM Eric] DeCosta ... I don't know anybody in that organization who's thinks that's gonna work for five or 10 years. So if you're hitting the reboot and you're taking the quarterback, I think the odds were always drastically against Harbaugh.

"We talked about this last year, it was about this time last year, the Packers and Ravens should trade coaches. Because neither of those coaches is doing a baloney one-year extension again. And it's all coming to a head after 2018 because neither of these teams are as good as people think they are, and both these coaches are going to be lame ducks in 2019 and they're going to walk out the door and that's what's going to happen."

La Canfora went on to point out that McCarthy, who has also won a Super Bowl, is an unlikely fit in Baltimore, primarily because the "bloom is off the rose" when it comes to his offensive innovation, and the Ravens no doubt want some young, offensive mind to work with Lamar Jackson

Maybe it shouldn't be that stunning to find out the Ravens and Harbaugh to be heading for a split. As JLC points out, this has been building for quite some time now.

"That's not surprise that we're talking about the Baltimore Ravens in Week 9. He's been there 11 years. He and [Joe] Flacco, it's run its course," La Canfora pointed out. "We talked about this last week I think. I did a big piece on them midweek. They're 8-35 since the Super Bowl run against teams that went to the playoffs [counting 2018 as of now]. They're 44-45 since they went to the Super Bowl. Joe Flacco, on the road, since the Super Bowl win, is the 40th ranked passer in football. He's got a quarterback rating of 76 on the road through five and a half seasons, with nine more interceptions on the road than anyone else. The next highest is Eli [Manning] with 43. Flacco's got 52! 48 touchdowns and 52 interceptions on the road over five and a half seasons."

Yikes. That's not great, Bob. And the change in Flacco, coupled with the change in general manager (from Ozzie Newsome to Eric DeCosta) gives the Ravens an ample opportunity to make a change at coach as well. It could be a full-blown reboot for Baltimore in that sense.

 

And it's not as if getting rid of Harbaugh would be a surprise; owner Steve Bisciotti said this offseason he considered making a change. Which is why Harbaugh returning at this point is a long shot.

"It's over. He counts $27 million against the cap next year. There's no more guaranteed money left. It was always over. Even if they didn't draft Lamar Jackson, they would be looking at bringing back Tyrod [Taylor] for a year or looking at the draft," La Canfora pointed out. "So if you're making all those changes and you've already committed to the next GM, I don't see a path to keeping Harbaugh.

"The long shot has always been John Harbaugh coaching the Ravens Week 1 2019."

Maybe the Ravens make a run. They came out of the gate hot this year, playing excellent defense and looking much better on offense thanks to a rejuvenated Joe Flacco and improved corps of wide receivers. But over the last three weeks, things have fallen apart. The Ravens gagged to the Saints at home, got blasted by the Panthers on the road and then handled by the Steelers in a critical home matchup for the division.

They're 4-5, they're reeling and if things don't improve over the second half of the season, they are likely going to be looking for a new head coach. 

 

Find out who else is likely to change coaches and check out our midseason awards by listening to the show in the player above. 

 


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 12:42 PM

I usually look skeptically at 'doomsday' reporting but I'm in agreement with what he said.

 

Not really so sure Da Costa should stay. But, I'd give him a year just to see if the present management muddle continues or gets better. I don't expect any great turnaround next season. In fact, I think it's time for a fire sale. 

 

It's going to be a long road back. 

 

Now we'll see who the true fans are and how steadfast Bisciotti is in not selling the team.


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Of course, any plan to solidify the passing game depends largely on how much Jackson improves as a passer in his second pro season. While he made some plays with his arm as a rookie, he wasn’t as consistently accurate as anyone wanted. He acknowledged to reporters earlier this month that he knew his mechanics needed work.

Jackson said he has been working on those mechanics and other aspects of his passing since February.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 01:02 PM

But a new GM after Eric will want his coach.  It has to be all or nothing in the offseason.


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 06:49 PM

Wins over the Bengals and Raiders could change everything.

 

check this out....

 

 

. It sets up for a strong finish for Flacco. All eight remaining opponents rank in the bottom half of the NFL in pass defense, including five of the bottom six (Cleveland, Kansas City, Atlanta, Tampa Bay and Cincinnati).........http://www.espn.com/...finishing-touch


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“[Lamar] was amazing last year, and then they add in Mark Ingram,” Burleson said. “We forget how strong and angry of a runner he is. … [The Ravens] are just getting started. I think people assume that Lamar Jackson isn’t going to pass the ball this year, and I will tell you right now you are wrong. He’s going to light up the skies and torch the ground like he did last year.”

“Put on 20 pounds of muscle over the offseason,” Hurst said. “I’m kind of on a mission this year. I’ve got a lot to prove.”


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Posted 07 November 2018 - 07:11 PM

So yo think they will beat KC and LA?  I don't see a win against Cincy.  I would also be suprised to see a sweep against the remaining NFCS.  


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 05:44 AM

Actually I think the Ravens will finish 8-8.

.500

Yet there is still a glimmer of hope. Wins over the Bengals and Raiders put them at 6-5. It will mean they are playing better. Perhaps good enough to beat the Falcons and their poor defense, the Chargers and their poor defense and the Browns.

9-7.

Which may not be good enough for a wild card.


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“[Lamar] was amazing last year, and then they add in Mark Ingram,” Burleson said. “We forget how strong and angry of a runner he is. … [The Ravens] are just getting started. I think people assume that Lamar Jackson isn’t going to pass the ball this year, and I will tell you right now you are wrong. He’s going to light up the skies and torch the ground like he did last year.”

“Put on 20 pounds of muscle over the offseason,” Hurst said. “I’m kind of on a mission this year. I’ve got a lot to prove.”


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Posted 08 November 2018 - 10:49 AM

There is no way they beat the Chargers.  Bosa is about to come back too.


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