tsylvester

Yes, my bad, I was speaking of the 2011 season with Housh and Evans, but had specifically, the 2012 playoff games for some reason... There, were the Ravens used a lot of "west coast" routes to make a run, only to have Evans drop the game winner in the AFC championship game. Today, there are many terms over used by pundits and fans, from elite to west coast. The very thing rasta is debating, the team maybe not having the players to run a west coast offense, mor eimportantly Joe not being able to run one, is the issue. He simply points out Joe, but the important part is having receivers, ends, who can read the defense properly. If they don't, it matters not who is the quarterback; westcoast is a timing offense. There are ways to beat the westcoast and the main thing is press coverage, breaking up the timing of the receivers. Something this team struggles with. So it would not be Joe, but the receivers.

I guess you missed the quick slants, the crossing routes, the hot reads by Evans and Housh and company.... but then, you apparently miss alot when all you focus on is Joe's footwork..... You are barking up the wrong tree here.... Oh and since you might not be old enough to remember the 49ers under Montanna and Young, they threw a lot of short passes ans screens to the backs, it was a staple of, wait for it, Bill Walsh's system, you know, the West Coast offense....

I guess you didn't watch much of the 2012 season, huh? They used a lot of 3 step, and less drops with Joe utilizing the hot read, mostly to Evans, whe he was healthy. The difference between that season & this past one is that the Ravens had rookie or young receivers this past one, who could not make the proper reads in practice, so they would not risk it in games. Hot reads are not just up to the quarterback, but also and especially the receivers. This past season and even the Super Bowl season they used more of the quick outs, 3 step drops, and wr screens, catch & throw, or step & throw... Make sure to pay attention more to games...You are showing your lack of understanding of the game and even the team with each post.

Kubs doesn't run a true west coast offense, next.................

Yes, but true, look up Engrams record, starting coaching what, two years ago? This is a team with young receivers, he may or may not be a good coach, but he would be best suited with experienced receivers.... Time will tell.

Grain of salt..... Wisconsin has always had a great running game, going back before Hammock's time there; it is their line, their system and who was the last Wisconsin runningback to make it big in the NFL? Be more than a back up runningback? That shows you it is their system, their line.... Being a former player, such as Engram, does not make one a good coach, or even a coach who can develop a player. Engram was barely an NFl quality receiver and has very, very limited coaching experience. It is more likely the receivers continue to struggle, he never was able to get off of bump & run coverage.............

Yeah, it was pretty evident from the start to anyone who understands the locker room, or even how close friends joke around. His, Martin's, little trip to the ER was a ploy by his parents, lawyer/agent for a lawsuit and to bolster his case. However, since the release of ALL the texts between the two, Martin is looking more & more like the liar, the baby. He can blame his agent all he wants, but he, himself, has stated that Incognito was being abusive bullying him. So, I wonder if the race baiters will now back track and apologize to Richie, I doubt it.

No, comp picks are used during the draft, but cannot be traded. The slim number of picks the Ravens have lead me to believe they will trade down. I know they are counting on the comp picks being good, Ozzie has mentioned them a few times. Even so, they need a little more help than they have picks and this is a deep draft in the areas they need help. You are thinking of the Supplimental draft for college players cleared to be drafted after the draft is over, usually because of injury or accedemic reasons. Yes, that "draft" is a waste, rarely is a decent role player found, let alone a good one.

Bill B, Tom Brady and Aaron Rogers are playing in the Pebble Beach Pro AM next week, gosh, the Pats and Packers are gonna suck, shame on them for not working hard.......

Again, I stated it in relation to you and a few others complaing about not hearing from him on this new hire, not in relation to him working hard or not. Just because our local media has not asked for his opinion on the matter does not mean he has not given one, nor that he is not in talks with Kubs. But go ahead, bash away on something you know nothing about. As for marines, yes, we see it every day, bet we see it today during the supe bowl, the folks not being able to see their families because they enlisted and are serving over seas.....

right? I have to explain it? My kids comment was in regards to why Joe may not have made a statement or been on television, radio, etc about the new hire. Heaven forbid he have a vaccation away from fans and media and get some family time. I mean, plumbers, dock workers, even police get vaccation time, I guess people on tv shouldn't have a life outside of their jobs.... Does the season start tomorrow? How on earth will Joe be ready, o ma gosh....

He has learned a new system a few times already in his 6 years in the league. What makes you think he won't or even can't learn another one? Jeepers.....

He and his wife also had a new baby this year, maybe he just wants to take more time to get to know the child..... People forget, players have families too and to raise one takes a lot of time.

Excuse me, but if you read what I have posted about this topic, well before Byrne made his statement you will see I pretty much said what he stated. No, I do not believe everything everyone, Byrne included, says, but I know the team, the people involved better than most fans. I know how Preston and Lombardi work, how they get their stories, how their main motive is todrive conversation, good or bad about THEM, because it makes them money. I have backed up my claims with articles, have you? No, every time some one asks you for the direct quote, you change the subject, get defensive, why? Facts- Kubs wanted to be a head coach again. There were several teams in need of a new head coach. He wanted to see about those jobs before looking at the oc job with other teams. The Ravens were interested in him from the start, they made, as every team does, a list of new oc as soon as the season ended and Caldwell told them he wanted to interview for head coaching jobs. More Facts- While they waited for Kubs to posibly be hired as a head coach, they interviewed many, many candidates. ALL TEAMS DO THIS. They, as an organization, wanted to go with a zone blocking scheme, the league is moving in that direction, so they wanted an OC who coached that way; thus their final candidates. Kubs wanted to come here as an oc when he did not get any shots at a head coach position- HIS WORDS. Cleveland did not want to have Kubs have total say over the offfensive staff, so talks with them broke down. Shannahan was their (the Ravens) top choice and they vetted him properly-As every team would. He was their final choice up to the point Kubs was in final talks with the Browns. Dennison, HIS WORDs, backs all of this up and stated Kubs the job here, thus, opening up talks, AGAIN, just as they had to begin this process, with Kubs and he was hired. These are facts as told by Steve, Ozzie, John, Kubs, Dennison and yes, along with Byrne. Again, Check my posts, the dates of them, you will see I outlined the likely way this went down, before it was made known. Not because I have insider info, but because I know how teams, including the Ravens, go through their process of looking for coached. Thus, I do not doubt it happend very close to the way portrayed by the Ravens, because that is how business in the NFL is done.

I could see that, frankly I am torn. Wilson's ability to extend plays ala David Kreig, Fran Tarkington give me pause when trying to pick the Broncos. Add in Harvin & his return ability. Even so, four wide outs, 3 of them over 6'-2" and Manning is very hard to pick against.

Byrne has not changed his story, not in the context you speak. He has given more detail about what and how it all came together. Since Preston's story, anothe Sun reporter has come out and pretty much backed up what the Ravens have said, not Preston. And Tony has done nothing but back track as well. See, he gets paid per click, so even if he reports something that is wrong, he gets paid. When he has to print a retraction, he gets paid and people think; how stand up he is for admitting he was wrong. Like Preston, he knows, bad publicity is still publicity.

Yes, on his part, again.

No way, they either trade out, take the tight end from NC oe a wide out like Mathews from Vandy.

Um, Tony said the Harbs would not hire anyone who could replace him.... To me, he said the same thing Preston did, so it is not a choice between the two as to whom to believe, they were both wrong, time to move on.....

pinkie forgot Clayton gate............. still have the knife in my back..................

I'm sorry, there is no reason to change anything as far as the NFl right now. Not more games, not more playoff teams, not playing over seas (stop it!). Just clean up the game a little fix the officiating issues (finanlly), figure out instant replay, and let it be, as the Beatles sang. People will continue to watch and buy, the NFL will continue to make money. If they go through with the changes they are considering, they will end up losing fans, losing money, and some one will die on the field.

I agree, the players screwed them selves though. I am not sure about the corner money, proper technique and a little speed and boom, instant corner. A good pass rush and most anyone can be a good corner. Players today are coming out of colege more prepared because of better coaching at the lower levels. Today, coaches actually know how to coach good technique and that carries with a player all the way up.

Both can be true sir. They likely spoke to Kubs shortly after Caldwell started interviewing to see if he would be interested in coming to Baltimore. I am sure he stated he wanted to see about other Head Coaching jobs FIRST. That would lead to what i described earlier; thus both being correct and Preston being the instigator he is, wrong in his assertions, in the context he viewed....

That is one way to see it Papa, however, as I said on another thread. It is more likely they wanted Kubs very much but, with all the coaching jobs out there, he wanted to look at them first and made that known to the Ravens. They then were prudent in interviewing other coordinators for the job, including asking the Cowboys for permission to interview Callahan, but were denied, So when the talks between Cleveland and Kubs broke down, the Ravens called him, on thursday. He came in on Sunday and signed on Monday. To me, to most sensible people, you don't sign a person in one day unless you know everything you need to know about him, unless you see he is the best because you did your homework by talking to others first. This does not mean Harbs was not involved, does not mean Steve and Ozzie made the move without Harbs. I have already showed you in this thread now Preston spun the press conference, what makes you think he isn't spinning this as well? What makes you think Harmon, the odd man out after what, 15 years, didn't sour grape the Ravens to Preston? In the end it matters not, Preston is only interested in gaining hits, clicks, readers, talk radio mentions. Byrne's job yes is to make the Ravens look good, but Kibs said him self he spoke with John "a few days earlier about the job" so that should end it.....

That won't help much for the players, older, they want to get paid. Some teams, the Skins, Raiders, will not only have the money, because of past penalties being taken off, but have few draft choices so they will over spend. However, most teams are either very talented now and need to keep their own players, or don't have the room to pay high prices for free agents. Then you have the teams with new coaches, rarely do they over spend because they need a season to see exactly what they need for their system. I know I've said this before, but watch, once Wilson, Kap, Griffith, Newton maybe the kid in Tampa, all come up for new contracts, teams, the NFLPA will have no choice but to increase the % of cap raise to what it used to be. Oh and it is not just the quarterbacks, there are a lot of very good young players still under their drafting contracts, who will command top dollar in the next few years.....