Money Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 7 years, 126mil, 54mil guaranteed I hope a couple posters on here are starting to get a grasp of the economics of the game. Quote
varaven45 Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 Now that he's done, McKown probably walks. Its a pipe dream, but Id love to see us grab him as a Flacco backup. The prospects of going into yet another year with Tyrod as the only backup gives me the shakes. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 2, 2014 Posted January 2, 2014 And it is a bad deal too. Just because everyone is moronic you should not follow them. The NFL does new things. The Ravens should be the smart ones and lead to not getting into bad contracts. 1 Quote
OutsideRzAcE Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Now that he's done, McKown probably walks. Its a pipe dream, but Id love to see us grab him as a Flacco backup. The prospects of going into yet another year with Tyrod as the only backup gives me the shakes. Actually I heard Mckown was contemplating retirement. Quote
oldno82 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Actually I heard Mckown was contemplating retirement.I hope not. I too would love to have him. 'Course, we probably couldn't get him in under the cap. Quote
cravnravn Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I hope not. I too would love to have him. 'Course, we probably couldn't get him in under the cap.Sure we can, right after we cut ngata, Suggs and rice we'll be like fat rats in a cheese house Quote
Geronimo Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 And it is a bad deal too. Just because everyone is moronic you should not follow them. The NFL does new things. The Ravens should be the smart ones and lead to not getting into bad contracts.Great post Papa! Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=j1see3Ih-fY&feature=c4-overview&list=UUIIKPy27YWW5yhc0qvr4KnAI agree with Steven A. Quote
varaven45 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 7 years, 126mil, 54mil guaranteed I hope a couple posters on here are starting to get a grasp of the economics of the game. What's next; Andy Dalton wanting eight years, $160 million? Geez. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 The league is out of control paying guys who are good money that great players should make. 1 Quote
varaven45 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 The league is out of control paying guys who are good money that great players should make. Next thing, we will see Ryan Fitzpatrick, EJ Manuel, and Kellen Clemons seeking monster contracts for sub .500 teams. Nuts ! Quote
dc. Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 I think the contracts are crap - but it's not the money or the player, it's the length. Numbers on contracts are going up and always will (like the cap) so long as the league keeps increasing revenue. Now, of course we know the math works so the biggest cap hits come much later in the contracts and they get dumped or restructured - but locking guys in for 7 years is what's lunacy. The contract length is also what's pushing up salaries. Cutler is only so valuable compared to a league of good QBs. But he's not up against every QB in the league - he knows the Bears are looking at him or... Well, who knows, but it's not Peyton or Brady. Long contracts take players off the market, making good look great when they are the only option left. Silly, but the Bears are certainly saying "what other choice do we have?" Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 This contract is rediculous. At most I would pay Cutler $15 mil a yr. This contract is assinine.http://www.spotrac.com/nfl/chicago-bears/jay-cutler/ Year Base S. Bonus Misc. Cap Hit Dead 2014 22,500,000 - - 22,500,000 38,000,000 2015 15,500,000 - - 15,500,000 15,500,000 2016 16,000,000 - - 16,000,000 10,000,000 2017 12,500,000 - 2,500,000 15,000,000 - 2018 13,500,000 - 2,500,000 16,000,000 - 2019 17,500,000 - 2,500,000 20,000,000 - 2020 19,200,000 - 2,500,000 21,700,000 Quote
Money Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 And it is a bad deal too. Just because everyone is moronic you should not follow them. The NFL does new things. The Ravens should be the smart ones and lead to not getting into bad contracts. Yeah. All NFL GMs are morons and you're the smart one. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 They are group thinking. Stop following the lemming infront of you. I guess Bill Walsh was stupid to invent a new offense. Chip Kelly is doltish too as well. Quote
Money Posted January 3, 2014 Author Posted January 3, 2014 Since the Ravens won with Dilfer, Super Bowls have been won with the following QBs: Brady *3Ben *2PeytonEli *2BreesRodgersFlacco I'm thinking having a franchise QB is sorta important in today's game (and they don't grow on trees). Quote
Spen Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 Like it or not, when someone signs a contact it has an effect on the contacts of other comparable players in the league. If a team rejects those comparables and low balls players (from the players view) then I think the effect would quickly be seen on the field. Quote
oldno82 Posted January 3, 2014 Posted January 3, 2014 The NFL is making money hand over fist so why shouldn't the players be paid more? I think the real problem is that the cap is too low for the amount of revenue being generated. The GM's and owners need to apprise the league of that. The amount of TV revenue is insane. Quote
dc. Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Old82 - I generally agree, but technically the system is set up like this (to my knowledge). The CBA's that are renegotiated every few years between the teams/league and the players associations include discussions how making sure the wealth is spread appropriately. To my knowledge, the cap numbers as well as minimum numbers for vets, etc are tied to percentages of league revenue. As I remember it, last time the CBA was due to be discussed (not long ago given the big hold out, was that just 2012?) one sticking point was that "percentage of revenue" that players deserved. My understanding was that NFL players were getting less than MLB and NBA players on average and wanted to at least be in the same ballpark. Regardless, in the end I think you are right - in many ways the $$ doesn't matter so much as the time debt the teams are locking themselves into. Quote
oldno82 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Old82 - I generally agree, but technically the system is set up like this (to my knowledge). The CBA's that are renegotiated every few years between the teams/league and the players associations include discussions how making sure the wealth is spread appropriately. To my knowledge, the cap numbers as well as minimum numbers for vets, etc are tied to percentages of league revenue. As I remember it, last time the CBA was due to be discussed (not long ago given the big hold out, was that just 2012?) one sticking point was that "percentage of revenue" that players deserved. My understanding was that NFL players were getting less than MLB and NBA players on average and wanted to at least be in the same ballpark. Regardless, in the end I think you are right - in many ways the $$ doesn't matter so much as the time debt the teams are locking themselves into. Yup. I think it's becoming a real problem in the league. It really needs to be addressed. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 The NFL is making money hand over fist so why shouldn't the players be paid more? I think the real problem is that the cap is too low for the amount of revenue being generated. The GM's and owners need to apprise the league of that. The amount of TV revenue is insane.One position should not be eating up so much cap. You notice how Elvis signed a crap deal. The QB is devaluing other positions. Quote
vmax Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 The NFL is making money hand over fist so why shouldn't the players be paid more? I think the real problem is that the cap is too low for the amount of revenue being generated. The GM's and owners need to apprise the league of that. The amount of TV revenue is insane. It's all relative when you look at market value. In Free Agency players are looking to sign with the team who will play them the highest amount in the FA market.So even if you up the CAP $50 mill, some team will pay ridiculous money for Arthur Jones, Paul Kruger, Ellerbe ect. For a solid/franchise QB the price will remain ridiculous (and of course, negatively impact the money available to retain good players ).So...CAP jail will always exist and many teams will dwell there. I propose a CAP freeze and use the savings on the fans in reduced ticket prices, parking, concessions and merchandise.What do you think are my odds of the NFL granting this request? Quote
varaven45 Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 Slim and none and slim left town. Max you make some really good points. And unfortunately it's the NFL world in which we live and will only get worse. We better enjoy it while we can. Quote
papasmurfbell Posted January 4, 2014 Posted January 4, 2014 It's all relative when you look at market value. In Free Agency players are looking to sign with the team who will play them the highest amount in the FA market.So even if you up the CAP $50 mill, some team will pay ridiculous money for Arthur Jones, Paul Kruger, Ellerbe ect. For a solid/franchise QB the price will remain ridiculous (and of course, negatively impact the money available to retain good players ).So...CAP jail will always exist and many teams will dwell there. I propose a CAP freeze and use the savings on the fans in reduced ticket prices, parking, concessions and merchandise.What do you think are my odds of the NFL granting this request?https://www.facebook.com/#!/ken.weinman/posts/10152111729309717?comment_id=29044362&offset=0&total_comments=114¬if_t=feed_comment_replyWe have been debating this. If the feds make the NFL get rid of the blackouts then prices will come down. Quote
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