Ray Rice Supspended 2 Games

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I believe Ray was sincere today...so I believe him.

That's 30 seconds of his life that he will always be paying for. That's punishment enough....way too much punishment.

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Stephen A Smith is a moron. Let's all yet to leave him out of this conversation so that we can ask survive.

 

Stephen A Smith is a moron. Let's all yet to leave him out of this conversation so that we can ask survive.

Strange, but Whoopie Goldberg said the exact same thing as Stephen A. Smith on the View and gets no grief. Is that sexism or what?

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Interesting. I don't watch the view.

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Stephen A. said absolutely nothing wrong (though he could have worded it better). The fact is though, it was too soon to go off on that tangent (as valid as it is). Right now...if you are say anything that deviates from Rice is a scumbag, then you support beating women in the eyes of the majority of the public.

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Again if he was talking about the woman hitting the man it makes sense. If it is don't say something condescending to him then I don't agree with SA Smith.

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Again if he was talking about the woman hitting the man it makes sense. If it is don't say something condescending to him then I don't agree with SA Smith.

 

That's why I said he could have worded it better. I am 99.9% sure that is what he was trying to say, but he did, unfortunately, leave it open for interpretation.

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/07/29/the-ravens-are-just-trolling-you-at-this-point/

 

The only "trolling" that's being done is by Gantt himself. He has blasted everyone from Rice to the Ravens' organization to the Ravens' fans to the city of Baltimore in numerous articles since the suspension was handed out.

[oldcrow]

if the ravens had any class

they would extend the suspension themselves

 

well

 

there you have it

[Money]

if the ravens had any class

they would extend the suspension themselves

 

well

 

there you have it

How many games did the Steelers suspend Harrison for?

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELEC8WfoFV0

[oldcrow]

6 games

money

 

they actually asked for more

[Money]

6 games

money

 

they actually asked for more

 

What season was Harrison suspended 6 games?

[cravnravn]

That asswipe was suspended 1 game

[Money]

That asswipe was suspended 1 game

 

That wasn't even for smacking his girlfriend around.

[oldcrow]

the steelers suspended him for 16 games last year

 

sheesh

 

TBH

I thought it read you said (Ben) the first time I replied

 

 

and yes cravn it was one game

FOR DOING HIS FUCKING JOB!

 

now go clean the pool ricky.

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I've seen no video of Harrison smacking his girlfriend. How do we know what happened maybe he was goung for her butt and missed.

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http://www.washingtonpost.com/news/sports/wp/2014/07/30/as-ray-rice-controversy-rages-on-even-some-within-nfl-believe-league-erred-with-punishment/

As Ray Rice controversy rages on, even some within NFL believe league erred with punishment

The NFL’s decision to suspend Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice for two games for a domestic violence incident involving his now-wife has focused sharp criticism on the league and Commissioner Roger Goodell for a penalty that many considered too lenient.

While the league has defended its action and there is a measure of support for it within the NFL, particularly inside the Ravens organization, some of those in and around the sport say the public outcry over the issue is understandable and meaningful.

Opinion was divided among high-ranking officials from several NFL teams contacted this week, although it was mostly weighted toward questioning the penalty. One said he initially thought the punishment was too light but came to believe there is a measure of validity to the league’s stance that Rice was a first-time offender and the NFL had done far more to punish Rice, with a penalty that will cost him more than $500,000, than the criminal justice system did.

But several others said they believe the suspension should have been longer and the league, in their view, underestimated the public reaction its penalty would generate.

“They miscalculated that,” said an executive with one team who, like the others, spoke on the condition of anonymity, citing the intensity of the controversy surrounding the decision and the fact that Rice plays for another franchise. “They could not have expected this level of reaction. To me, this was mishandled. More needed to be done and a stronger message needed to be sent.”

The NFL Players Association did not respond to a request for comment.

“The NFL has grown to the point where it’s almost held in the trust of the public,” said David Cornwell, an attorney who has represented many NFL players and formerly was a candidate for executive director of the players’ union. “That creates a number of challenges. In this case, it illustrates that the public wanted the NFL to say in no uncertain terms that violence against women is unacceptable. But the challenge is that you can’t ignore the precedents of your own past disciplinary actions.”

Cornwell represented Ben Roethlisberger when the Pittsburgh Steelers quarterback was suspended for six games by Goodell in 2010 after prosecutors decided not to charge Roethlisberger with a crime in a case in which he was accused by a 20-year-old woman of sexual assault in a Georgia nightclub. Goodell later reduced Roethlisberger’s suspension to four games. Cornwell said the NFL could have accompanied its announcement of the Rice suspension with a public gesture to show intolerance for violence against women.

“In hindsight, the league could have, in conjunction with the [Rice] discipline and in partnership with the players’ association, done something to show support for organizations that help battered women,” Cornwell said in a telephone interview. “If the league had it to do all over again, I think it would have found a way to do that.”

The NFL declined this week to make Goodell available to be interviewed. He is expected to address media members while in Canton, Ohio, this weekend for Pro Football Hall of Fame activities. A top league official, Adolpho Birch, defended the league’s actions in a radio interview earlier this week.

 

http://www.washingtonpost.com/sports/redskins/roger-goodell-nfl-dropped-ball-throughout-ray-rice-process/2014/07/29/d5953a46-174e-11e4-9e3b-7f2f110c6265_story.html

Roger Goodell, NFL dropped ball throughout Ray Rice process

Roger Goodell needs help. He is so blinded by his own power he no longer sees clearly. The NFL commissioner needs professional intervention — similar to family and friends forming circles around those battling addiction — to tell him what he needs to hear instead of what he wants to.

Most of America is rightly furious that Baltimore Ravens running back Ray Rice, who knocked his then fiancee unconscious in a casino elevator after a physical dispute, was suspended a mere two games by a tone-deaf commissioner.

The February video of Rice dragging Janay Rice, whom he later married, is as damning today as it was five months ago. The Ravens running back escaped prosecution only by being accepted into a pretrial intervention program, which if completed will wipe the assault charge off his criminal record.

This was a moment for Goodell to show that domestic violence will not be tolerated on his watch. This was a moment for the man who speaks of honoring the “Shield,” as if his league were West Point or Annapolis, to make players understand the part of their contract that carries a moral turpitude clause — that being a good citizen is more important than being a great football player.

This was not a moment for a $45-million-a-year sports attorney, with no mental-health training in his background, to play domestic-abuse counselor and therapist in his Manthattan office.

Goodell has made numerous mistakes — from using his wife to help him sell youth football to concerned Midwestern mothers to the hiring of celebrity physician Mehmet Oz to combat the research of actual neurologists amid the NFL’s concussion catastrophe to backing Daniel Snyder to the hilt in a name-change campaign.

But his handling of this issue shows a dearth of sensitivity that blows away his other lapses in discipline, judgment and compassion.

Goodell should worry less about the criticism he’s facing from fans and media over such a lenient suspension — two of 16 games, nearly $500,000 of a $4 million deal — and more about the domestic-violence experts coming forward to ask how he could possibly base part of his ruling on an interview in his office between the victim and her perpetrator.

Goodell brought in Ray and Janay Rice to New York on June 16. According to a report by Peter King that no one has refuted, the meeting also included NFL deputies Jeff Pash and Adolpho Birch, and Ravens General Manager Ozzie Newsome and team president Dick Cass were also present. At the meeting, Janay apparently asked Goodell for leniency, calling the incident a “one-time event” and adding that any real punitive action could “ruin Rice’s image and career.”

But virtually every mental-health professional and victims-rights advocate will say that meeting never should have happened the way it did. They’ll tell you under no circumstances should a victim be brought in to either mitigate the perpetrator’s actions or plead for his leniency.

Beyond the obvious fact that Janay Rice might not feel comfortable truly giving her side of the story, many domestic-abuse victims often blame themselves for being beaten. In police stations, shelters and beyond, the couple is separated because too many victims are either still afraid or have been told what to say by the perpetrator.

Even the uncomfortable news conference by the Rices in May had a disturbing feel, as if Janay was on the cusp of saying, “It was my fault.” Again, battered women often minimize the fault of the men who hit them. The fact that Goodell and his attorneys opened that door at all is unconscionable.

In the aftermath Goodell has been silent, sending out Birch, a Harvard-educated lawyer, as an emissary. Birch’s pathetic, excuse-ridden interview with ESPN radio also has been pilloried.

Goodell needs to step up and represent the “Shield” himself today. He needs to explain why he thought putting a battered woman and the man who knocked her out into the same room to help decide discipline was remotely a good idea.

And if he can’t, he needs more help than the best counseling Ray and Janay Rice will ever receive.

I love this one.

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Strange, but Whoopie Goldberg said the exact same thing as Stephen A. Smith on the View and gets no grief. Is that sexism or what?

Didn't say I disagreed with him on this point. I don't actually.

 

But he's not a valid source in this or anything because he's generally a moron.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RW8chY15zYk&feature=youtu.be

There is some humor in this now.

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fiSF3AR698I

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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0A9WAYimVDQ

Damn!

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/04/nfl-not-talking-about-whether-it-has-seen-the-other-ray-rice-video/

NFL not talking about whether it has seen the other Ray Rice video

By now, anyone who wants to see the video of Ravens running back Ray Rice dragging his mostly-unconscious then-fiancée (now wife) from an elevator at an Atlantic City casino has seen it. Possibly because that video was improperly leaked to the media, far tighter clamps have been placed on the video of the punch (or whatever it was) from Rice that knocked her out.

A video definitely exists, it was assumed NFL has seen it. After all, Rice’s lawyer strongly hinted that he has seen it, and Rice’s lawyer would be entitled to have a copy of that and any other evidence that the prosecution intended to introduce at trial as part of the discovery process.

In turn, Rice’s ultimate employer, the NFL, would be entitled to demand to see a copy of it from Rice himself, both to assess the precise nature of the behavior and to evaluate the apparent claim that Janay Palmer Rice in some way provoked Rice. (Not that provocation would ever excuse an attack.) If Mrs. Rice, whose presence at Ray’s personal-conduct policy hearing was not requested by the league but arranged by the NFLPA, contends that she had some sort of responsibility for getting knocked out, it becomes reasonable for the league to request an opportunity to see the visual evidence.

The league had no comment on whether it has seen the tape, continuing its position of refraining from speaking about what was and what wasn’t considered in fashioning Rice’s two-game suspension. It’s our understanding, however, that the NFL did not obtain the video of the incident.

“When we’re going through the process of evaluating the issue and whether there will be discipline, you look at all of the facts that you have available,” Commissioner Roger Goodell told reporters on Friday. “Law enforcement normally has more — on a normal basis — has more information, facts, than we have. We’ll get as much as we possibly can.”

Given the ease with which the NFL could have gotten the video — by simply telling Rice that he must direct his lawyer to produce it to the league office — the league could have gotten the video, if it really wanted to get the video. Either the NFL didn’t think of making that request (which is highly unlikely), or the NFL deliberately chose not to.

Maybe the league decided that there was nothing to see. After all, Rice admitted to the behavior, and the prosecutors allowed him to enter a diversionary program based in part on the contents of the video. Still, when Goodell says that the league will “get as much as we possibly can,” the universe of possibilities in this case absolutely includes the video.

If the league truly hasn’t seen it, the league will now have to wonder whether someone eventually will leak it to the media. Which could result in even more criticism of the discipline that eventually was imposed on Rice.

 

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"Do you think Ray Rice hit her?"

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http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2014/08/13/heres-an-idea-nfl-getting-serious-about-domestic-violence/

Here’s an idea: NFL getting serious about domestic violence

Now that the first cow is out of the barn, and they only still love that cow in Baltimore, the NFL is thinking about building a fence.

According to Mark Maske of the Washington Post, the NFL is considering stiffer penalties in the future for domestic violence cases.

The report said potential punishment would be four to six games for a first offense, and a possible one-year ban for a second offense.

“We need to have stricter penalties,” said one source. “I think you will see that. I believe the commissioner and others would like to see stricter penalties. We need to be more vigilant.”

Of course, this comes after the league was almost unanimously pilloried for its two-game suspension (plus a fine of a week’s worth of his much-lower 2013 salary) of Ravens running back Ray Rice for knocking his wife unconscious.

Commissioner Roger Goodell cited precedent for that level of punishment, which seems comically light in light of collectively-bargained drug and PED suspensions.

“A lot of us were disturbed by what we saw,” [regarding Rice], the person said. “I think you will see something in probably the next few weeks. A first offense could be four to six games, definitely more than two. A second offense might be a year.”

If the suggested toughening of the policy actually happens, it will be interesting to see if Panthers defensive end Greg Hardy is grandfathered into the old precedent or the new one. He’s been found guilty of assault and communicating threats for an incident involving a former girlfriend. He has appealed his conviction, and his jury trial is scheduled for Nov. 17.

 

So the whole Rice issue in the lang run may well have been a positive. I guess taking a beating in the public pushes the NFL to the right place.

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